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During the last leaders debates Giles Duceppe suggested Canada and Quebec being in Union similar tot he EU.

I was wondering if Canada becomes a republic (see Canada needs an elected Senate and Governor General [web]http://www.canadaka.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=posting&mode=reply&t=10677[/web]), with traditions inherited byt he French and British empires as well as our own proud democratic tradition, would be possible to pass an accord permitting nations the right to become sovereign states within a union of sovereign states. These states within the confines of Canada’s constitution would be responsible for criminal law, have an elected senator and increased fiscal responsibilities.

This would pertain not exclusively to Quebec and the Quebecois people, but also to aboriginal nations, Inuit nations, and other provinces currently in confederation.

   

although i am not for replacing the monarchy, elected senators are a must as well as a confederation instead of a federation. Actually in this way the monarchy would help us as being common between all the provinces could settle the dispute. That said I think we could have a confederation and leave provincial head of states up to the province...based on the current numbers quebec would ditch the monarchy and the rest would keep it nationally we still would have a monarchy although the reduced role of the confederation government would make this less important to Quebecers.

   

I don't see a problem with the original post.

   

Neither do I just saying it dosn't have to be a republic and that what he is aiming for is close to what the fathers of confederation wanted.

   

The way I understand Gilles comment is that his Ideas would be similar to a true Confédération.

By definition a confédération is a union of sovreing state. Canada by definition is a federation.

In a confédération every member state (Canada and Québec) could have some shared responsability. For exemple a shared millitary in wich Québec would pay it share in money and personnel.

(Canada+Québec) could be a confederation
Canada could still remain a federation but without Québec as a part of its membership.
Comment??

   

No, because then the comparison of troops and money committed by canada in realtion to quebec would be out of scale. That is just a way fro quebec to seperate, but still have canada watching its ass. If quebec, they are all on their own. Seriously, Canada should not help quebec at all if they serperate.

   

That would be basic idea of course the member states would more be like Quebec, Nunavik, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Cree NAtion, Dehendeh Nation, Ontario, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, PEI, St Peierre et Miquelen (If they would join Canada), etc (the specific states would have to be worked out)

The feredal governemtn would still collect taxes as the USA and have federal as the USA and EU do.

   

Knoss what you are describing is a federation! and Canada is still a federation so what would be the point?

Anyway in a confederation the Confederation is not a souvreing state. Only the member state are. That why I suggested this arrangement

(Canada - Québec) If other province want independence from the Canadian federation thats there buisnesse.

   

You forgot to address me there elvis.

   

Why would Quebec START contributing to a military once they left, they sure as hell don't now. The general feeling amongst most Quebecers is anti-military, i cant see that changing if they left.

   

I guess the importaint question is what are the resons for a soverign Quebec.

   

I find it interseting that the reasons for a seperate Quebec is based on matters of the heart, the intangibles, such as language, while Western Seperation is based almost solely on ecomonic matters.

   

Sure tricks

It's your opinion dude and I disagree with it. I have read a few of your comments about Québec separation and you seem to have to much misconseption for me to have a reasonable debate with you. Get some information about the subjet read a bit.
La souvraineté c'est quoi? if you can't read french Why sovereingty for Québec? Sometime an inform opinion can lead to an interesting conversation.
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Vicevega well it just appen that I'm having a debate about this on a independentist forum and that people even if we are pacifist in nature understand that a military would be mandatory. link

   

I would love to weigh in on it, but there seems no place to translate it. I am Albertan after all, not to many of us that speak French out here.

   

That tells me nothing except the "parti quequois" want to seperate. It doesn't say why, it doesn't offer any valuable information as to why you would want to. Frankly it makes no sense, you would fail miserably and a federation is the last thing I want, because i doubt quebec would offer troops to canada. They never have when they are part of the country, why would they when they are not?

   

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