Gay US teen facing charges of having sexual contact with 14-
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commanderkai @ Thu May 23, 2013 4:36 pm
CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:
Glenn Beck and Rush don't use inductive reasoning or any realistic experience before coming up with their looney theories.
Reporting the relationship the instant the girl turns 18 gay or not is nothing short of a malicious strike by the parents of the 15 year old.
Seeing how much malice comes from heavy conservatives toward those who are gay....I don't think Thanos is off his rocker here.
Reporting the relationship the instant the girl turns 18 gay or not is nothing short of a malicious strike by the parents of the 15 year old.
Seeing how much malice comes from heavy conservatives toward those who are gay....I don't think Thanos is off his rocker here.
Except the assumption here is that the parents of the 14 year old were happy that their daughter was dating somebody 3-4 years older than their child, which there is no evidence to that fact, and just assuming they reported the 18 year old because they're gay, and not because they're in a relationship their 14/15 year old child.
The law was fairly applied to this 18 year old girl much like it would apply to an 18 year old male dating a 14 year old girl. As much as I disagree with her being placed on the Sex Offender watchlist, such a fate happens for any elder partner caught dating somebody below the age of consent.
Just because the story is from Florida doesn't automatically mean the parents are conservative, religious, or bigoted. Considering they aren't exactly in the Florida Panhandle, where religiosity is more common, the assumption of the parents of the 14 year old being religious bigots is an accusation without evidence.
Thanos @ Thu May 23, 2013 4:39 pm
And I'll insult a lot more too before I'm done with this one.
Ahhhhhh! The evil in those eyes! Should have drowned it at birth! Sit her in the electric chair on Jodi Arias' lap! Gotta show 'em we're tough guys!
ferfucksake 
commanderkai @ Thu May 23, 2013 4:40 pm
Thanos Thanos:
And I'll insult a lot more too before I'm done with this one.
Ahhhhhh! The evil in those eyes! Should have drowned it at birth! Sit her in the electric chair on Jodi Arias' lap! Gotta show 'em we're tough guys!
ferfucksake
Ahhhhhh! The evil in those eyes! Should have drowned it at birth! Sit her in the electric chair on Jodi Arias' lap! Gotta show 'em we're tough guys!
ferfucksake
What makes her an exception to the many, many 18 year old males who were caught in a relationship with those under the age of consent?
Edit: Typo fixed
Thanos @ Thu May 23, 2013 4:48 pm
There's a lot of 18-year old males out there who've done a hell of a lot worse than this girl did, or ever will do. And even in hang-em-high places in the US these boys usually get let off with a warning, a small fine, a probationary period, or suffer no consequences at all, no matter how rotten, viciously, and cruelly they've behaved and no matter how much they've horribly hurt other people.
Let this girl plead it out, sentence her to time served, and warn her from contacting the other girl again until the other one is 18 as well and no longer has to listen to her parents. Go by the spirit of the law, not cleave to the harshest letter of it, just so some one with a massive amount of animosity in them can figuratively extract as much blood from her in order to satisfy their need for vengeance. Save prison and lifelong criminal records for those who truly deserve them, not for people like this girl who don't even appear to be capable of willingly hurting a fly.
To repeat, statutory assault laws were meant to be used to prevent much older perverts from exploiting teenagers. To see them used in such wanton fashion against teens that are in the same age range is ridiculous.
Unsound @ Thu May 23, 2013 4:55 pm
rickc rickc:
Thanos Thanos:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Believe it or not, there are homophobic atheists and accepting religious folk. As parents of a minor child they have the right to make unpopular decisions. Once the child reaches the legal age of consent they have no right to interfere I've witnessed parents cutting off financial support to their kids in university over choices, including choice of a BF or GF, they've disagreed with.
Big difference though between cutting off support and having someone charged with a felony. If this had been a 30-year-old bull dyke preying on teenage girls I'd be a happy part of the tar-and-feather brigade. That it's happening to someone who's only three years older than the other girl is what makes it ridiculous. That she'll end up with the same registered sex offender designation that active pedophiles and makers of kiddie-porn get makes it disgusting. This is a gross abuse by a pair of well-connected parents, who apparently have enough stroke to make the local police dance to whatever tune they want to play, of what statutory offense laws are supposed to be all about.
I am going out on a limb here and state that you know absolutely nothing about the parents, and their connections. They could work at Burger King, or be on welfare for all you know. You know zilch. Yet here you are stating that they are pulling strings, and the police are helpless puppets dancing to their tune. What the parents did was what everyone else who has a problem does: they filed a complaint. Imagine that! They swore facts under penalty of perjury on an affidavit. That affidavit states that the relationship began in Nov. 2012. The defendant would have been 18 at the time. The police investigated, and determined that the law had been broken. I find it hard to believe that you find someone filing a complaint a gross abuse. That's how the criminal justice system works. We let the court system deal with it. The parents taking matters into their own hands and killing the defendant would have been a gross abuse. They did the right thing here.
You have insulted many different people on this thread. You have insulted Christians by claiming that this is the fault of Bible thumpers. Many people (regardless of religious views) would have a problem with an 18 year old adult fucking their 15 year old kid. You don't have kids, so I don't expect you to understand. If an 18 year old was fucking my 15 year old daughter, I would have a major problem with that.
You insulted Floridians. You have implied that this is happening because its Florida, and they are a bunch of crackers. Never mind that Florida is the fourth largest State in the country. The State of Florida is way more urban than the Province you are living in. They even have a hockey team that has won a Stanley Cup in the last 20 years, unlike you.
Never mind that every State has statutory laws on the books. All States prosecute these laws. Even the peoples republic of California has the age of consent at 18. Thousands of 18 year old men have found themselves on the wrong side of these laws due to jilted ex girlfriends.You have insulted the good men and women of the Indian River Sheriffs Department. You are stating that they do not want to do their jobs unless they are pushed to do so by prominent, well connected citizens. These people risk their lives every day in the service of their county. They did exactly what they were supposed to do in this case. They are enforcing the laws the way they are written, not yours (or anyone else's )interpretation of those laws.I owe you a +5
commanderkai @ Thu May 23, 2013 5:28 pm
Thanos Thanos:
There's a lot of 18-year old males out there who've done a hell of a lot worse than this girl did, or ever will do. And even in hang-em-high places in the US these boys usually get let off with a warning, a small fine, a probationary period, or suffer no consequences at all, no matter how rotten, viciously, and cruelly they've behaved and no matter how much they've horribly hurt other people.
The same can be said about 18 year old female psychopaths. Not all males who face the same charge are always "scum of the earth" types. Otherwise good individuals can get into huge legal issues because of this law.
$1:
Let this girl plead it out, sentence her to time served, and warn her from contacting the other girl again until the other one is 18 as well and no longer has to listen to her parents. Go by the spirit of the law, not cleave to the harshest letter of it, just so some one with a massive amount of animosity in them can figuratively extract as much blood from her in order to satisfy their need for vengeance. Save prison and lifelong criminal records for those who truly deserve them, not for people like this girl who don't even appear to be capable of willingly hurting a fly.
I don't think anybody is arguing she deserves the maximum 15 years in prison for what she did, but I don't see why she should be exempted from the same laws that many 18 year old men face when in the exact same situation, even if they're generally good individuals otherwise. The law might suck, and statutory rape laws are HUGELY dangerous for those 18 years or older (especially the whole "I didn't know she was underage" is an invalid defense, which is fucking stupid). Hopefully she has a good lawyer and can get a favorable plea, which is certainly plausible, even in more conservative Florida counties. That being said, I don't think she deserves special consideration because she's a woman, pretty and a lesbian.
(Quick summary of the law in case anybody was curious: http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes/se ... nduct.html)
(Avvo link to criminal attorneys saying a plea is doable: http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/i-m-b ... 69036.html)
Brenda @ Thu May 23, 2013 5:52 pm
$1:
I don't think she deserves special consideration because she's a woman, pretty and a lesbian.
She doesn't.She does deserve special consideration because her partner is 3 years younger and it is consensual and has been for a while when it was not 'illegal', and so should every 18 year old (male or female, regardless of their sexual orientation) in the same situation.
Not because she is a woman or pretty or a lesbian.
commanderkai @ Thu May 23, 2013 7:09 pm
Brenda Brenda:
She doesn't.
She does deserve special consideration because her partner is 3 years younger and it is consensual and has been for a while when it was not 'illegal', and so should every 18 year old (male or female, regardless of their sexual orientation) in the same situation.
Not because she is a woman or pretty or a lesbian.
She does deserve special consideration because her partner is 3 years younger and it is consensual and has been for a while when it was not 'illegal', and so should every 18 year old (male or female, regardless of their sexual orientation) in the same situation.
Not because she is a woman or pretty or a lesbian.
First, where is this 15 year old thing coming from? The other girl is 14 years old, as per the CBS and the Calgary Herald articles.
Second, according to the CBS article, a plea deal exists.
CBS Article CBS Article:
WPTV reports Hunt has until Friday to accept a plea deal which would subject her to two years of house arrest followed by a year of probation.
Which, considering the maximum is 15 years in prison, is a fantastic deal and she should accept it. As I mentioned earlier, people in similar situations do get pretty good consideration by the legal system.
Unsound @ Thu May 23, 2013 7:30 pm
Brenda Brenda:
$1:
I don't think she deserves special consideration because she's a woman, pretty and a lesbian.
She doesn't.She does deserve special consideration because her partner is 3 years younger and it is consensual and has been for a while when it was not 'illegal', and so should every 18 year old (male or female, regardless of their sexual orientation) in the same situation.
Not because she is a woman or pretty or a lesbian.
But it hadn't been "for a while when it was not illegal". According to the story she was 18 when the relationship began. It was illegal from the start.
Brenda @ Thu May 23, 2013 7:31 pm
commanderkai commanderkai:
Brenda Brenda:
She doesn't.
She does deserve special consideration because her partner is 3 years younger and it is consensual and has been for a while when it was not 'illegal', and so should every 18 year old (male or female, regardless of their sexual orientation) in the same situation.
Not because she is a woman or pretty or a lesbian.
She does deserve special consideration because her partner is 3 years younger and it is consensual and has been for a while when it was not 'illegal', and so should every 18 year old (male or female, regardless of their sexual orientation) in the same situation.
Not because she is a woman or pretty or a lesbian.
First, where is this 15 year old thing coming from? The other girl is 14 years old, as per the CBS and the Calgary Herald articles.
Second, according to the CBS article, a plea deal exists.
CBS Article CBS Article:
WPTV reports Hunt has until Friday to accept a plea deal which would subject her to two years of house arrest followed by a year of probation.
Which, considering the maximum is 15 years in prison, is a fantastic deal and she should accept it. As I mentioned earlier, people in similar situations do get pretty good consideration by the legal system.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/1 ... ostpopular
Read URL:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... port-says/
Unsound @ Thu May 23, 2013 7:35 pm
The stories you posted also say the girls were 18 and 14 when the relationship started. Would you be ok with your 14 yo daughter starting a relationship with an 18 yo boy or girl?
Brenda @ Thu May 23, 2013 7:40 pm
I think you need reading glasses. The HuffPo link states 15 (in red even) and the CBS links URL says 15. That they later change the age in the article does not make it 14, other than in the edited article.
commanderkai @ Thu May 23, 2013 7:43 pm
Brenda Brenda:
Doesn't explain where the younger girl is 15. The younger girl is described as 14 in the story. Plus, considering the CBS article states she's been offered a plea deal for what I quoted earlier, she's receiving an excellent deal, considering the maximum sentence of 15 years in prison.
The mother of the 18 year old is trying to gain sympathy and attention to seemingly allow her daughter to get away with breaking the law. I could see that backfiring if they don't accept the plea deal.
$1:
I think you need reading glasses. The HuffPo link states 15 (in red even) and the CBS links URL says 15. That they later change the age in the article does not make it 14, other than in the edited article.
Huffington Post isn't exactly up to the same journalistic standard as CBS, so CBS changing the age to 14 was probably because the girl was 14, and they were incorrect with the original age.
bambu @ Thu May 23, 2013 7:47 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Well if it was a guy and a younger girl, or a guy and a younger guy there'd be holy hell to raise. Excusing this behaviour because the predator is female, would set a bad precedent.
A Black 18 yr teen schoolboy was sentenced to 17 years in prison in the US in 'recent' times for having shall we say 'non-penetration sex' with a 14 yr old schoolboy.
The sentence was appealed, not sure what happened.
My opinion; I think that sentence was a total outrage!
Two schoolboys in love, or having feelings for each other sexually, yes...one being under the age of consent.
The behaviour was illegal...but schoolkids have a long way to go in life.
Surely there's some way other than long prison sentences.
Predator? a schoolgirl? a schoolboy?
Brenda @ Thu May 23, 2013 7:52 pm
commanderkai commanderkai:
Brenda Brenda:
Doesn't explain where the younger girl is 15. The younger girl is described as 14 in the story. Plus, considering the CBS article states she's been offered a plea deal for what I quoted earlier, she's receiving an excellent deal, considering the maximum sentence of 15 years in prison.
The mother of the 18 year old is trying to gain sympathy and attention to seemingly allow her daughter to get away with breaking the law. I could see that backfiring if they don't accept the plea deal.
$1:
I think you need reading glasses. The HuffPo link states 15 (in red even) and the CBS links URL says 15. That they later change the age in the article does not make it 14, other than in the edited article.
Huffington Post isn't exactly up to the same journalistic standard as CBS, so CBS changing the age to 14 was probably because the girl was 14, and they were incorrect with the original age.
The edited story may mention she is 14, but the original story did not, nor did every other story I read.
I don;t necessarily agree that CBS is more 'up to standard'. They all copy each others stories without fact checking.
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