Homosexuality And Equality
Let them get espoused and collect spousal benefits.
You can't qualify marriage or change its meaning. What is, is. Period. This isn't about legal issues. This is about what the definition of marriage is. Marriage is a union of a man and a woman in matrimony. Espoused, I don't care. I've told you the same thing over again and I can't be bothered telling you any more. You can't change the definition of a word just because some idiot special interest group wants it that way. It's like all the high school drop outs wanting to call their public school diplomas PHDs so they can say they have a PHD. Sorry. A high school diploma isn't a PHD, a Ford isn't a Jeep, a horse isn't a cow and a union between else than a man and a woman isn't a marriage. That's all.
AdamNF @ Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:14 pm
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Christians believe that well the Old Testement is the word of God it was updated by Christ
So gods word was updated, so in other words the new testement is "Gods Word 2.0". Sorry but God the almighty God does not need a second go of it, he a always right, never wrong. He gets it right the first time.
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So gods word was updated, so in other words the new testement is "Gods Word 2.0". Sorry but God the almighty God does not need a second go of it, he a always right, never wrong. He gets it right the first time.
Not really God's Word 2.0.
Before I go further let me say that I agree with figfarmer, let them get "espoused" and collect spousal benefits but don't call it marriage.
Back to Adam. It's not God who needed a second go it is us. We are God's Children. In the begging the rules placed on a child are strict. The child has a set routine and is allowed to do only limited activities and is on occasion punished when called for. As the child grows older they are given more freedom and more control over there own lives. Hence the difference between the Old and New Testements. The Old Testement was for when we where babies, now that we've grown up some there are a new set of rules for us namely the New Testement. I believe in time there will be a Third Testement when we are ready for it, when we have grown enough. Just my personal belief.
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Damn Gremlins 
AdamNF @ Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:36 pm
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You can't qualify marriage or change its meaning. What is, is. Period. This isn't about legal issues.
That is flatly untrue. I do not believe in God, but I believe in marriage. So why would I let God (someone I donÂ’t believe in) tell me what is or isnÂ’t. To me marriage is when to people who love each other want to be together forever and celebrate there love each other. Why does the word marriage have to be a religious word? Atheists get married, Hindus and Buddhists get married. Why does it always have to be about Judeo-Christian right and wrong. Or I could call it Judeo-Christian discrimination. Its gay bashing at a National level.
AdamNF @ Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:37 pm
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Not really God's Word 2.0.
Before I go further let me say that I agree with figfarmer, let them get "espoused" and collect spousal benefits but don't call it marriage.
Back to Adam. It's not God who needed a second go it is us. We are God's Children. In the begging the rules placed on a child are strict. The child has a set routine and is allowed to do only limited activities and is on occasion punished when called for. As the child grows older they are given more freedom and more control over there own lives. Hence the difference between the Old and New Testements. The Old Testement was for when we where babies, now that we've grown up some there are a new set of rules for us namely the New Testement. I believe in time there will be a Third Testement when we are ready for it, when we have grown enough. Just my personal belief.
You got to give me credit for ‘Gods Word 2.0’. That was pretty clever ay.
I'm talking about Webster's Dictionary. I don't give a runny crap about God, Allah, Thor, or Vishnu.
Twila @ Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:21 pm
I thought I'd look up in the dictionary, what it said about marriage. Most said between a Man and a Woman. The legal dictionary you have to log in to (it seems I'm not a member, who knew) but this one site(yourdictionary.com) mentions same sex marriage in an interesting way.
mar·riage
(click to hear the word) (mrj)
n.
The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
The state of being married; wedlock.
A common-law marriage.
[b]A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.
A wedding.
A close union: "the most successful marriage of beauty and blood in mainstream comics" (Lloyd Rose).
Games The combination of the king and queen of the same suit, as in pinochle.
othello @ Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:06 pm
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Please, show me passages in the New Testament that say that consensual homosexuality is wrong.
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Romans Ch.1 V21 NIVHaven't you read," he [Jesus] replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh?So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
Matthew Ch.19 V4-6 NIV this same passage appears in Marks Gospel as well.
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians Ch6 V9-10 NIV
1 Romans, depending on how the original Greek is translated, may be interpreted as condemning men that go against their inborn orientation (i.e., a heterosexual male engaging in homosexual activity). A homosexual male's inborn, natural orientation is homosexual, and thus this passage could be deemed to be not referring to naturally homosexual individuals.
Matthew doesn't anywhere condemn consensual homosexuality.
1 Corinthians. So, what is a heterosexual offender? It is generally agreed that this passage is referring to men, so does that mean lesbians are fine? Again, I direct you to the original text and the many potential translations of it. And realize that you are interpreting for yourself something that is not explicited stated in the original text.
Do I know what these passages actually mean? No. I know that there is ambiguity, not the clear cut answers that many would have you believe. And I know that two of those you chose are written by Paul, who supported oppression of women and accepted slavery. Not someone who I'd follow very far.
othello @ Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:11 pm
polemarch1 polemarch1:
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So gods word was updated, so in other words the new testement is "Gods Word 2.0". Sorry but God the almighty God does not need a second go of it, he a always right, never wrong. He gets it right the first time.
Not really God's Word 2.0.
Before I go further let me say that I agree with figfarmer, let them get "espoused" and collect spousal benefits but don't call it marriage.
Back to Adam. It's not God who needed a second go it is us. We are God's Children. In the begging the rules placed on a child are strict. The child has a set routine and is allowed to do only limited activities and is on occasion punished when called for. As the child grows older they are given more freedom and more control over there own lives. Hence the difference between the Old and New Testements. The Old Testement was for when we where babies, now that we've grown up some there are a new set of rules for us namely the New Testement. I believe in time there will be a Third Testement when we are ready for it, when we have grown enough. Just my personal belief.
So, in a thousand years, we'll be able throw out some more commandments? Maybe commit adultery? How 'bout taking His name in vain? Interesting theory.
i'm not a theologian scholar by any means. Hell, i'm quite ignorant about religion in general but i know this:
-the bible says a lot of things and the bible can be interpreted quite differantly
-i line under the constitution of canada not under the bible.
why doesn't the Church make a big fuss over divorce. Isn't that a big no no? Oh yeah it already did about 400 years ago.
and people talk about the snactity of marriage. Go to Las Vegas and tell me about the sancity of marriage. While the bible may not accept the marriage between a same sex couple, i'll respect it more than i respect a shot gun wedding.
The traditional definition of marriage has been a union between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN. In the 21st century it seems this definition discriminates against homosexuals. It's the whole "man/woman" thing that is the culprit.
We need to eliminate "man/woman" from the definition and all will be well.
But "man/woman" is only half the problem. That pesky "one" needs to be dealt with. We are discriminating against all the bigamists and polygamists.
What a terrible, oppressive society we have become.
Here's something from an old book on farm equipment.
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...the addition of a PTO allows a small tractor to be married to many more pieces of machinery...
So tractors can marry but gays can't? What the heck kind of world is this?
The point is that the word marriage has many different meanings. Restricting it to a religious one in a country that espouses a separation of church and state is wrong.