Ali's Islam Thread
Brenda @ Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:14 pm
Ali786 Ali786:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Ali786 Ali786:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Ali786 Ali786:
Nova,
I have a question for you:
How do you feel about the soldiers that raped that 14 year old iraqi girl and then killed her family afterwards. Do you see something wrong with that? or do you think thats part of war?
About the same as killing unarmed South Koreans or killing aid workers or rounding up women and kids into a soccer stadium and killing them.......much the same really.
Thats wrong even though I think the 14 year old girl was much worse but point is that both were wrong and they should be acknowledged as you acknowledge every Western death.
The difference is the US soldiers who did that were arrested, tried and sentenced to very long tems in prison. They faced public revulsion in the west.
On the other hand Al Queda and Taliban murderers are celebrated in the muslim world.
Really? I am Muslim and I don't remember celebrating anybodies death, infact I remember cursing anyone who committed those horrible murders and the funny thing is most Muslims I know and thats alot trust me, they see things the same way. I think you are referring to the uneducated Muslims living in villages, who are told that Taliban killed American troops in the name of God. If they knew the complete story then they would learn to hate anyone that kills civilians like myself.
I hear the same thing from my neighbours.
On a sidenote, they hate ALL killings, not only the ones on civilians.
2Cdo @ Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:17 pm
Ali786 Ali786:
I openly condone the murders of any civilians
I sincerely hope this is just a case of not understanding what you wrote and not a foreshadowing of your true feelings!
2Cdo @ Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:21 pm
Ali786 Ali786:
thats what my religion teaches me that woman, children and elders are off limits in a war.
And yet men acting in what they believed to be the teachings of Islam launched attacks at the WTC filled with civilians.
I deliberatly left out the pentagon because it is filled with soldiers mainly.
2Cdo @ Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:21 pm
Ali786 Ali786:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Ali786 Ali786:
I openly condone the murders of any civilians
I sincerely hope this is just a case of not understanding what you wrote and not a foreshadowing of your true feelings!
lol sorry, I meant to say "condemn" those murders
Good enough.
Brenda @ Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:22 pm
Ali786 Ali786:
$1:
I hear the same thing from my neighbours.
On a sidenote, they hate ALL killings, not only the ones on civilians.
Yea, I hate all killing too but you don't really have a choice in a war zone so I choose civilians over anyone, thats what my religion teaches me that woman, children and elders are off limits in a war.
Now that is something I don't understand. Why would it be your religion that teaches you that, and not just common sense?
Ali786 Ali786:
$1:
I hear the same thing from my neighbours.
On a sidenote, they hate ALL killings, not only the ones on civilians.
Yea, I hate all killing too but you don't really have a choice in a war zone so I choose civilians over anyone, thats what my religion teaches me that woman, children and elders are off limits in a war.
What about men are they fair game? What if the woman, child or elder is carrying a gun or strapped down with a bomb? What if the woman is a soldier?
2Cdo @ Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:27 pm
Ali786 Ali786:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Ali786 Ali786:
thats what my religion teaches me that woman, children and elders are off limits in a war.
And yet men acting in what they believed to be the teachings of Islam launched attacks at the WTC filled with civilians.
I deliberately left out the pentagon because it is filled with soldiers mainly.

Well, whether those men were following the teachings of Islam or the teachings of a CIA plan, I dont know and I can't comment on that. I probably wont ever know who really did it, so I like to keep away from that topic "who did what". The one video of UBL I saw where he apparently admits the attacks seems to be fake so I honestly don't know.
See here's where Islam goes into denial. Buddy, it was Islamic men acting in their interpretation of Islam that launched these attacks and instead of condemning them you go into denial mode. That is what's wrong with Islam. By staying quiet about the darker side of Islam you give your extremists a green light to continue to co-opt your religion and that is why I trust very few muslims.
Ali786 Ali786:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Ali786 Ali786:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Ali786 Ali786:
Nova,
I have a question for you:
How do you feel about the soldiers that raped that 14 year old iraqi girl and then killed her family afterwards. Do you see something wrong with that? or do you think thats part of war?
About the same as killing unarmed South Koreans or killing aid workers or rounding up women and kids into a soccer stadium and killing them.......much the same really.
Thats wrong even though I think the 14 year old girl was much worse but point is that both were wrong and they should be acknowledged as you acknowledge every Western death.
The difference is the US soldiers who did that were arrested, tried and sentenced to very long tems in prison. They faced public revulsion in the west.
On the other hand Al Queda and Taliban murderers are celebrated in the muslim world.
Really? I am Muslim and I don't remember celebrating anybodies death, infact I remember cursing anyone who committed those horrible murders and the funny thing is most Muslims I know and thats alot trust me, they see things the same way. I think you are referring to the uneducated Muslims living in villages, who are told that Taliban killed American troops in the name of God. If they knew the complete story then they would learn to hate anyone that kills civilians like myself.
I have vivid memories of Palistinians dancing in the streets after 911.
Ali786 Ali786:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Ali786 Ali786:
thats what my religion teaches me that woman, children and elders are off limits in a war.
And yet men acting in what they believed to be the teachings of Islam launched attacks at the WTC filled with civilians.
I deliberately left out the pentagon because it is filled with soldiers mainly.

Well, whether those men were following the teachings of Islam or the teachings of a CIA plan, I dont know and I can't comment on that. I probably wont ever know who really did it, so I like to keep away from that topic "who did what". The one video of UBL I saw where he apparently admits the attacks seems to be fake so I honestly don't know.
Their is the tin hat award
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Ali786 Ali786:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Ali786 Ali786:
thats what my religion teaches me that woman, children and elders are off limits in a war.
And yet men acting in what they believed to be the teachings of Islam launched attacks at the WTC filled with civilians.
I deliberately left out the pentagon because it is filled with soldiers mainly.

Well, whether those men were following the teachings of Islam or the teachings of a CIA plan, I dont know and I can't comment on that. I probably wont ever know who really did it, so I like to keep away from that topic "who did what". The one video of UBL I saw where he apparently admits the attacks seems to be fake so I honestly don't know.
See here's where Islam goes into denial. Buddy, it was Islamic men acting in their interpretation of Islam that launched these attacks and instead of condemning them you go into denial mode. That is what's wrong with Islam. By staying quiet about the darker side of Islam you give your extremists a green light to continue to co-opt your religion and that is why I trust very few muslims.
