Bill under attack for catering to right-wing parents
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
How is it abuse?
Forcing Ignorance on Children is Abuse. How could it not be?
I feel alot of anger on this thread. I think this story is being a bit overlown actually. It's not the first time a version of this story has been posted either.
Parents have always had the right to pull their kids from sex-ed classes as far as I'm aware. And I'm not aware of any classes that deal with religion specifically, so I'm not sure what that would include.
The only thing I wonder about is why we're still being so protective about sex, but nobody puts up a stink about war and violence being brought up in the classroom.
jason700 jason700:
The only thing I wonder about is why we're still being so protective about sex, but nobody puts up a stink about war and violence being brought up in the classroom.
Because we're not going to start hiding chunks of our history to future generations...or history books would look like this.
1914-1918=Blank
1918-1929=Great times
1929-1939=Great Depression
1939-1945=Blank
And so on and so forth. Humans are violent creatures, and somehow stopping the education of our past conflicts and mistakes will just cause a crapload more issues later on.
The article posted is basically crap. Schools should not even dab their feet in religion, considering the shitstorms that will cause, and sex-ed classes should be voluntarly, if the parents want to teach their kids on their own.
There's no fostering abuse or pandering to right wing parents, because some of these things have been going on for years and I say should keep on continuing.
The only reason why this is a story is because it picks on those evil right wing Christians again. Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists and a crap load of other religions also reject evolution but their not mentioned here.
Considering the teachers in BC are more devoted to their union than they are their students , I have very little confidance in teachers.
commanderkai commanderkai:
jason700 jason700:
The only thing I wonder about is why we're still being so protective about sex, but nobody puts up a stink about war and violence being brought up in the classroom.
Because we're not going to start hiding chunks of our history to future generations...or history books would look like this.
1914-1918=Blank
1918-1929=Great times
1929-1939=Great Depression
1939-1945=Blank
And so on and so forth. Humans are violent creatures, and somehow stopping the education of our past conflicts and mistakes will just cause a crapload more issues later on.
The article posted is basically crap. Schools should not even dab their feet in religion, considering the shitstorms that will cause, and sex-ed classes should be voluntarly, if the parents want to teach their kids on their own.
There's no fostering abuse or pandering to right wing parents, because some of these things have been going on for years and I say should keep on continuing.
Sex is more natural than war. Both should be 'forcefully' taught, and kids should be tested about sex as they are tested on topics regarding war.
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Sex is more natural than war. Both should be 'forcefully' taught, and kids should be tested about sex as they are tested on topics regarding war.
No, sex and war are equally as natural to one another. Tribe A bashed the heads of Tribe B back in the caveman days, and after that we raped Tribe B's women. Sucky, but there's history for you. I was getting in fights with other guys before I even thought about sex back when I was a kid.
However, sex, unlike war, is, or should be, a private matter, and as such, many parents see it as a family issue that will be discussed in a more private setting, instead from some 5 year old textbook while classmates are making penis jokes.
herbie @ Mon May 18, 2009 10:14 am
So fill out the note so your kid doesn't attend.
They handled being mocked by their classmates and learn about sex on the street corner, cuz 90% of the parents who think the school shouldn't teach it think their kid is to young to learn too and leave the issue until it's too late.
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Some times teachers are a little overzealous in their 'idealism' and give kids unrealistic expectations..... they fail to teach kids that we live in the real world and not an ideal one.
Kids need to know that not everyone is a winner, nor are all created equal.
I totally agree Shep. I have to deal with those who find out that after all these years they really are not as good as their teachers told them they were.
We don't need to destroy dreams but a little realism in education is needed.
It's a tough world out there, let's properly prepare our kids for it.
Giving medals to slackers on schools sports day does nobody any good in the long run.
Bodah @ Mon May 18, 2009 11:12 am
This type of idealism of were going to make you accept something even if you hate it. Is surreal.
commanderkai commanderkai:
jason700 jason700:
The only thing I wonder about is why we're still being so protective about sex, but nobody puts up a stink about war and violence being brought up in the classroom.
Because we're not going to start hiding chunks of our history to future generations...or history books would look like this.
1914-1918=Blank
1918-1929=Great times
1929-1939=Great Depression
1939-1945=Blank
And so on and so forth. Humans are violent creatures, and somehow stopping the education of our past conflicts and mistakes will just cause a crapload more issues later on.
The article posted is basically crap. Schools should not even dab their feet in religion, considering the shitstorms that will cause, and sex-ed classes should be voluntarly, if the parents want to teach their kids on their own.
There's no fostering abuse or pandering to right wing parents, because some of these things have been going on for years and I say should keep on continuing.
Thanks. But that's not really the point I was trying to make. I don't suggest we stop teaching history. And I agree that this is NOT a 'left-right' issue... the author is being a dink.
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Some times teachers are a little overzealous in their 'idealism' and give kids unrealistic expectations..... they fail to teach kids that we live in the real world and not an ideal one.
Kids need to know that not everyone is a winner, nor are all created equal.
I totally agree Shep. I have to deal with those who find out that after all these years they really are not as good as their teachers told them they were.
We don't need to destroy dreams but a little realism in education is needed.
It's a tough world out there, let's properly prepare our kids for it. Giving medals to slackers on schools sports day does nobody any good in the long run.
I think you and Shep are ranting off-topic for the most part here. I agree though, especially with the bolded sentence. What better way to prepare kids for the real world than though proper health and sex education?
Apollo @ Mon May 18, 2009 2:00 pm
$1:
The teachers have to follow certain guidelines. Choices or not, kids need that exposure.
Sometimes parents breed far too much of their own ignorance and hatred in their children. Children need the exposure sometimes to dissipate that.
You are making the false assumption that teachers are full of wisdom and parents are full of ignorance. Do you not understand that teachers and parents are sometimes one and the same?
My daughter is 6 years old and I was told by her teacher that it was my responsibility to teach her how to read. All she does at school is play. Its become a glorified daycare system.
Secondly, my cousin who is 16 has been passed along his whole life. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that he reads at a grade 3 level. (This is not an isolated case in Toronto)None of his teachers have ever taken responsibility to help him. They just keep passing him in the hopes that next years teacher will pick up the ball.
So much for "teaching".
I find that there is wisdom in the religious view that we are to hate the sin, but love the sinner.
All too often in a non-religious society, we love the sin by legalizing it, yet we continue to hate the sinner through prejudice and discrimination.
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
I find that there is wisdom in the religious view that we are to hate the sin, but love the sinner.
All too often in a non-religious society, we love the sin by legalizing it, yet we continue to hate the sinner through prejudice and discrimination.
What does this have to do with the topic?
jason700 jason700:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
Some times teachers are a little overzealous in their 'idealism' and give kids unrealistic expectations..... they fail to teach kids that we live in the real world and not an ideal one.
Kids need to know that not everyone is a winner, nor are all created equal.
I totally agree Shep. I have to deal with those who find out that after all these years they really are not as good as their teachers told them they were.
We don't need to destroy dreams but a little realism in education is needed.
It's a tough world out there, let's properly prepare our kids for it. Giving medals to slackers on schools sports day does nobody any good in the long run.
I think you and Shep are ranting off-topic for the most part here. I agree though, especially with the bolded sentence. What better way to prepare kids for the real world than though proper health and sex education?
But no history? And who made you the topic/thread police?