Do you consider this a hate crime?

That is your OPINION, but not a fact. It's up to a qualified judge to determine if a law has been broken, hopefully not a liberal one.

I stand by my assertion that it was a "hateful" thing to do but it was not a hate crime. A book is legal in the US and Canada, bacon is legal in Canada and calling Allah a pedophile is legally valid because he had sex with a nine year old and under the Canadian Criminal Code and US law that would make him a pedophile in the year 2007. It is freedom of expression nothing more. Radical Muslims call for violence in mosque globally against non-Muslims, they call jews pigs and they want them eradicated from this planet. This is allowed in Canada and the US and England and France and Germany lest we offend them but a couple of strips of bacon in a Koren freaks Muslims out as well as their appeasers. I can only shake my head at the hypocrisy of those who allow the radicals a podium but want to lynch a bacon eating koran defiler who could very well be a Muslim. The left haven't one yet, Sharia Law isn't enforcable yet. Hang in there and in a couple of years the appeasers will have all of society cowering in fear lest we offend. Bye the way I find the appeasers immensely offensive. I want them charged under the Hate Law.

That's one of the most accurate statements (on its own) made in the thread - I think, regardless of whether anyone shares the same opinion or not, that we can agree there are grounds to make each case - it's a legal matter, and is therefore subject to interpretation of the applicable laws.

I've argued the side of the Mosque, but that's because I'm trying to apply the relevent laws, not promote my agenda, as some here have. I don't necessarily agree with "hate crime" laws (I think they're too vague), and I sure as hell don't agree with anything to do with Islam, but one should try to be a little more objective when it comes to law, as emotional reactions don't typically apply.

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Make fun ? It sounds more like these people thought to themselves," Now what is the most offensive thing I can do to these people without having to show my face like the cowards I am."

Making fun of people is meant to be offensive you twit.

$1:

If they were just expressing their opinions, why hide from them ?

For this very reason. They knew asshats like you would scream hate crime and they would go to jail.

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The reason they just dropped the book and ran is more than likely beacause they knew what they were doing was illegal and lacked the courage of ther convictions.

It wasn't illegal. It was freedom of expression. And why would someone stick around when he knows little pansy asses like you are going to get him or her in shit. That's really bright. Just because they are smarter then you doesn't mean they don't lack courage. Just putting the book there took some courage.

So you've resorted to simple namecalling and insults ? Now I can see why you have sided with the cowards, you believe insults are a healthy part of making a point. Smarter than me, that's an interesting little IQ test. :lol:

I resort to name calling with annoying thickheaded people like you. Notice how I haven't done that with Blue_Nose? See I just plain don't like you.

I figured that, passing judgement on others prejudicialy seems to be one of your strong suits.

Prejudice? You have 1400 posts. That's not prejudice.

And you've been insultive and irrational since post 1. Point ?

Yes it is if you physically direct that insult at a place of worship.

I don't know how I can make this any simpler but there is an absolute difference between expressing an opinion that a certain group may find offensive and going to a place of worship to physically insult that same group.

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This is not a hate crime. This is "artistic expression". :wink:

Welcome back!

I concur!

Now I might have someone else on my side! :lol:

Hey, what's this "might" business? :lol:

Scrappy Scrappy:

That is your OPINION, but not a fact. It's up to a qualified judge to determine if a law has been broken

That's one of the most accurate statements (on its own) made in the thread - I think, regardless of whether anyone shares the same opinion or not, that we can agree there are grounds to make each case - it's a legal matter, and is therefore subject to interpretation of the applicable laws.

I've argued the side of the Mosque, but that's because I'm trying to apply the relevent laws, not promote my agenda, as some here have. I don't necessarily agree with "hate crime" laws (I think they're too vague), and I sure as hell don't agree with anything to do with Islam, but one should try to be a little more objective when it comes to law, as emotional reactions don't typically apply.

Ice:

I guess that were your $ 0.02 ?

You might as well know, that the "western muslims" don't cut any clits anymore. They even read the Koran, and get out of it what they want... Just like Christians and Catholics do with the Bible.

Of course I am offended by the way the "radicals" interprete the Koran (or any religious book, by any radical), I just don't see them here. What you see on TV are the most extreme things, 'cause the normal way of life is no news. You will not see that broadcasted.

I also hate the religious killings in Northern Ireland, and I hate everything and any country that does not allow women to be equal to men. But, the muslims in the Western countries, obey the law of the country, and don't put religious law above the country law.

The biggest problem in the muslim countries, is, that state and church are not seperated.

So, to come a bit closer to you: Screw all EXTREME muslims :lol:

I agree with you that "the muslim community" should lay back a little. I don't think I will be able to build a church in Iran, if I wanted to. We have the largest mosque of Europe here in Zaandam (I thought it was the largest...). That sucks, and the solution is quite simple... read my sig

Oh, just for the record, I think the Islam is a religion that never kept up with the times, and should belong in the dark ages. But still, NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE MURDERERS! ;-)

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A pig is an unclean animal to the muslim faith...... to place bacon in to a koran is to deem thier faith as unclean.
If that is not a hate motive what is? And if it was a joke could someone please explain the puchline to me!

if it pisses off moslems then thats the punchline..and moslems are far more dirty than pigs

wow you live in such a small world dude .

tell you what fatbasturd..go to page 3 of this thread..that'll give you a thorough insight on my perspective of moslems

Seriously you bigoted douche bag. Shut up.

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A pig is an unclean animal to the muslim faith...... to place bacon in to a koran is to deem thier faith as unclean.
If that is not a hate motive what is? And if it was a joke could someone please explain the puchline to me!

if it pisses off moslems then thats the punchline..and moslems are far more dirty than pigs

wow you live in such a small world dude .

tell you what fatbasturd..go to page 3 of this thread..that'll give you a thorough insight on my perspective of moslems

Seriously you bigoted douche bag. Shut up.

interesting how selective you are as to who you chastise for hating muslims while you turn a blind eye to others that express the very same animosity

icekarma2752 icekarma2752:

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fatbasturd fatbasturd:

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fatbasturd fatbasturd:

A pig is an unclean animal to the muslim faith...... to place bacon in to a koran is to deem thier faith as unclean.
If that is not a hate motive what is? And if it was a joke could someone please explain the puchline to me!

if it pisses off moslems then thats the punchline..and moslems are far more dirty than pigs

wow you live in such a small world dude .

tell you what fatbasturd..go to page 3 of this thread..that'll give you a thorough insight on my perspective of moslems

Seriously you bigoted douche bag. Shut up.

interesting how selective you are as to who you chastise for hating muslims while you turn a blind eye to others that express the very same animosity

Isn't it obvious ? Facts or opinions are only valid if he likes you. It's not a very scientific thought process.

Brenda Brenda:

Ice:

I guess that were your $ 0.02 ?

You might as well know, that the "western muslims" don't cut any clits anymore. They even read the Koran, and get out of it what they want... Just like Christians and Catholics do with the Bible.

Of course I am offended by the way the "radicals" interprete the Koran (or any religious book, by any radical), I just don't see them here. What you see on TV are the most extreme things, 'cause the normal way of life is no news. You will not see that broadcasted.

I also hate the religious killings in Northern Ireland, and I hate everything and any country that does not allow women to be equal to men. But, the muslims in the Western countries, obey the law of the country, and don't put religious law above the country law.

The biggest problem in the muslim countries, is, that state and church are not seperated.

So, to come a bit closer to you: Screw all EXTREME muslims :lol:

I agree with you that "the muslim community" should lay back a little. I don't think I will be able to build a church in Iran, if I wanted to. We have the largest mosque of Europe here in Zaandam (I thought it was the largest...). That sucks, and the solution is quite simple... read my sig

Oh, just for the record, I think the Islam is a religion that never kept up with the times, and should belong in the dark ages. But still, NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE MURDERERS! ;-)

yes Brenda NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE MURDERERS..but heres what you need to keep in mind..there is currently no islamic country that possesses any substantial military power..it seems to me that pakistan is currently the most powerful islamic country in terms of military and the 5th strongest nuclear power..iraq had a very potent military until the usa made short work of them..and heres why i hate g.w.bush as much as i do..how hard would it have been just to announce that he is launching a preemptive against iraq on the grounds that they may not be a problem at this time but somewhere down the future he will cause problems rather than lie about imaginary WMDs?? in the 1st gulf war he did have WMDs of mass destruction..in fact he had the 2nd largest stockpile of chemical and biological next to russia..now as whacked as saddam was he did have some concept of self-preservation and minimal common sense not to use them against the power machine the USA.i thought saddam was a total whack-job for the simple reason he idolized stalin who in my opinion was even worse than hitler..so to sum this all up...imagine some islamic countries banning together and forming a military power...lets give them an arbitrary estimation strength of 25% of the usa and their allies and since muslims have no problems fighting in suicide mode imagine the catastrophe the world would be in..so lets just count our blessings that islam possesses no consequential military power

icekarma2752 icekarma2752:

Brenda Brenda:

Ice:

I guess that were your $ 0.02 ?

You might as well know, that the "western muslims" don't cut any clits anymore. They even read the Koran, and get out of it what they want... Just like Christians and Catholics do with the Bible.

Of course I am offended by the way the "radicals" interprete the Koran (or any religious book, by any radical), I just don't see them here. What you see on TV are the most extreme things, 'cause the normal way of life is no news. You will not see that broadcasted.

I also hate the religious killings in Northern Ireland, and I hate everything and any country that does not allow women to be equal to men. But, the muslims in the Western countries, obey the law of the country, and don't put religious law above the country law.

The biggest problem in the muslim countries, is, that state and church are not seperated.

So, to come a bit closer to you: Screw all EXTREME muslims :lol:

I agree with you that "the muslim community" should lay back a little. I don't think I will be able to build a church in Iran, if I wanted to. We have the largest mosque of Europe here in Zaandam (I thought it was the largest...). That sucks, and the solution is quite simple... read my sig

Oh, just for the record, I think the Islam is a religion that never kept up with the times, and should belong in the dark ages. But still, NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE MURDERERS! ;-)

yes Brenda NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE MURDERERS..but heres what you need to keep in mind..there is currently no islamic country that possesses any substantial military power..it seems to me that pakistan is currently the most powerful islamic country in terms of military and the 5th strongest nuclear power..iraq had a very potent military until the usa made short work of them..and heres why i hate g.w.bush as much as i do..how hard would it have been just to announce that he is launching a preemptive against iraq on the grounds that they may not be a problem at this time but somewhere down the future he will cause problems rather than lie about imaginary WMDs?? in the 1st gulf war he did have WMDs of mass destruction..in fact he had the 2nd largest stockpile of chemical and biological next to russia..now as whacked as saddam was he did have some concept of self-preservation and minimal common sense not to use them against the power machine the USA.i thought saddam was a total whack-job for the simple reason he idolized stalin who in my opinion was even worse than hitler..so to sum this all up...imagine some islamic countries banning together and forming a military power...lets give them an arbitrary estimation strength of 25% of the usa and their allies and since muslims have no problems fighting in suicide mode imagine the catastrophe the world would be in..so lets just count our blessings that islam possesses no consequential military power

Oh, I totally agree with you here, but that was not the issue. The issue were the muslims in Western Society. Not the muslims in their own country.

Brenda Brenda:

icekarma2752 icekarma2752:

Brenda Brenda:

Ice:

I guess that were your $ 0.02 ?

You might as well know, that the "western muslims" don't cut any clits anymore. They even read the Koran, and get out of it what they want... Just like Christians and Catholics do with the Bible.

Of course I am offended by the way the "radicals" interprete the Koran (or any religious book, by any radical), I just don't see them here. What you see on TV are the most extreme things, 'cause the normal way of life is no news. You will not see that broadcasted.

I also hate the religious killings in Northern Ireland, and I hate everything and any country that does not allow women to be equal to men. But, the muslims in the Western countries, obey the law of the country, and don't put religious law above the country law.

The biggest problem in the muslim countries, is, that state and church are not seperated.

So, to come a bit closer to you: Screw all EXTREME muslims :lol:

I agree with you that "the muslim community" should lay back a little. I don't think I will be able to build a church in Iran, if I wanted to. We have the largest mosque of Europe here in Zaandam (I thought it was the largest...). That sucks, and the solution is quite simple... read my sig

Oh, just for the record, I think the Islam is a religion that never kept up with the times, and should belong in the dark ages. But still, NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE MURDERERS! ;-)

yes Brenda NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE MURDERERS..but heres what you need to keep in mind..there is currently no islamic country that possesses any substantial military power..it seems to me that pakistan is currently the most powerful islamic country in terms of military and the 5th strongest nuclear power..iraq had a very potent military until the usa made short work of them..and heres why i hate g.w.bush as much as i do..how hard would it have been just to announce that he is launching a preemptive against iraq on the grounds that they may not be a problem at this time but somewhere down the future he will cause problems rather than lie about imaginary WMDs?? in the 1st gulf war he did have WMDs of mass destruction..in fact he had the 2nd largest stockpile of chemical and biological next to russia..now as whacked as saddam was he did have some concept of self-preservation and minimal common sense not to use them against the power machine the USA.i thought saddam was a total whack-job for the simple reason he idolized stalin who in my opinion was even worse than hitler..so to sum this all up...imagine some islamic countries banning together and forming a military power...lets give them an arbitrary estimation strength of 25% of the usa and their allies and since muslims have no problems fighting in suicide mode imagine the catastrophe the world would be in..so lets just count our blessings that islam possesses no consequential military power

Oh, I totally agree with you here, but that was not the issue. The issue were the muslims in Western Society. Not the muslims in their own country.

absolutely Brenda..but heres the problem..theyre moving to western countries and actually expecting us to accommodate their barbaric traditions..theyre whining every which way about our not allowing them to practice sharia law..if they think it "sucks" so bad here why dont they go back to where they came from?