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wildrosegirl @ Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:52 am

kenmore kenmore:
wildrosegirl wildrosegirl:
kenmore kenmore:
The divorce issue is only within their cult. If both partners are Jehovah's then they should not divorce. If however you are a new recruit they will make sure you divorce if one partner will not join.

I'd be very curious about who's calling that shot. I have an aunt who turned and she wasn't forced to divorce her non-joining husband. As well, two of her children (who were sucked into the religion with her) have married non-Jehovah's and they weren't disowned. I'd say your bro is in an extremist leg of the religion.



Thats very unusual..


Not really...

I've known several over the years. Way back in the day, their rules were very rigid, harsh and ridiculous, but they've eased off quite a bit in the past 10 or so (from the ones I've crossed paths with). Could be like the Hutterites and such though, where different regions may have more strict powers that be than others. I know within colonies there can be a very dramatic difference in how things are run depending who's in charge. Could be somewhat the same with the Kingdom Halls in certain regions.

It's not something I've concerned myself with terribly because I have no intention of joining in on that little soire. :lol:

   



kenmore @ Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:00 pm

Knowing some and being involved are two very different things. They don't tell people the nitty gritty because if they did no one would get sucked in. At my brothers house his basement if full of books and literature material from wall to wall and he does the (brain washing) bible study groups for his area. I have perused some and all I can say is wow! I actually called him to-day and during the conversation I asked him about divorce and shunning. He told me that they discourage divorce within their religion but do encourage people to leave marriages where more than one religous philosophy would cause problems. For couples who are both witnesses they do counsiling and this is done by the elders. go figure!.. He shunned my nephew because his girlfriend would not join and they married in the Catholic church.. so in his eyes his son is now and forever dead. They are a terrible cult and need to be steered clear of.

   



ShepherdsDog @ Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:25 pm

A point that you may want to raise in a theological discussion is their assertion that the Archangel Michael was Jesus.

   



kenmore @ Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:38 pm

Thats true they do say that.

   



kenmore @ Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:48 pm

They do not believe in the Trinity. Instead, they follow a strict monotheism, in which:

Jesus is the son of God, the first created being, who is separate from Jehovah. Christ is believed to have originally existed in a pre-human state as the Archangel Michael. He later took human form as a man like any other person, except that he was sinless at birth and remained so through life. After his execution, Christ was resurrected as an invisible, non-material, glorious spirit creature. He was enthroned by Jehovah as King and ruler over all creation, and "given all authority in heaven and on earth."
bullet The Holy Ghost is not a separate entity, but is an energy or force -- the method by which God interacts with the world.

A good read.... http://www.allaboutcults.org/jehovah-wi ... fs-faq.htm

   



kenmore @ Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:27 pm

The prophecy of the second coming of Christ in 1874 by Charles Russell failed to occur.

Russell’s prophecy that Armageddon would occur in 1914 failed.

The Watchtower’s prophecy that Christ would return to earth in 1918 failed.

Russell’s prophetic teaching – that the Great Pyramid of Egypt was “God’s Bible in Stone” showing us God’s prophetic time table – was later contradicted by a Watchtower teaching that the Great Pyramid was rather Satan’s Bible in Stone.

Judge Rutherford’s prophecy of the earthly resurrection of Abraham, Isaac,
Jacob, and the prophets of the old between 1925 and 1929 failed.

The Watchtower’s prophecy of Armageddon in 1954, forty years after Christ supposedly returned in 1914, never came to pass. Then they began to teach that 1958 was Armageddon.

The Watchtower’s prophecy that the world would end in 1975 failed. Over a million disillusioned Jehovah’s Witnesses left the organization in 1976 and 1977.

   



Lemmy @ Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:47 pm

Guy: You could ask them if they know an old girlfriend of mine named Leah (I'll e-mail you her last name). When they ask you why you ask, you can tell them: "This guy, Lemmy, that I chat with on the internet used to bone Leah back in the day. Lemmy tells me that I should hook up with a Jehovah's Nitwit girl because they are the WILDEST sex freaks out there. He says Leah used to do things you couldn't pay a prostitute to do."

Then ask them where and when the congregation meets and whether either of the two ladies are married.

   



Chumley @ Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:01 pm

Persistance is the key, eventually they will get one.
XD

kenmore kenmore:
The prophecy of the second coming of Christ in 1874 by Charles Russell failed to occur.

Russell’s prophecy that Armageddon would occur in 1914 failed.

The Watchtower’s prophecy that Christ would return to earth in 1918 failed.

Russell’s prophetic teaching – that the Great Pyramid of Egypt was “God’s Bible in Stone” showing us God’s prophetic time table – was later contradicted by a Watchtower teaching that the Great Pyramid was rather Satan’s Bible in Stone.

Judge Rutherford’s prophecy of the earthly resurrection of Abraham, Isaac,
Jacob, and the prophets of the old between 1925 and 1929 failed.

The Watchtower’s prophecy of Armageddon in 1954, forty years after Christ supposedly returned in 1914, never came to pass. Then they began to teach that 1958 was Armageddon.

The Watchtower’s prophecy that the world would end in 1975 failed. Over a million disillusioned Jehovah’s Witnesses left the organization in 1976 and 1977.

   



ShepherdsDog @ Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:12 pm

I think it says that if a prophet makes a false prophecy they're supposed to be stoned for being a false prophet. How do the JoHO's respond to that?

   



Dragom @ Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:14 pm

kenmore kenmore:
Russell’s prophecy that Armageddon would occur in 1914 failed.


Thats a bit of a fluke as some Armageddon like stuff did occur in 1914

   



desertdude @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:42 am

Doh ! I always thought that JW was just another name for the Mormons ! Goes to show how much I know about this. Although I did talk extensively to a Mormon missionary on another forum and did a lot of looking into that.

   



desertdude @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:45 am

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
I think it says that if a prophet makes a false prophecy they're supposed to be stoned for being a false prophet. How do the JoHO's respond to that?



$1:
Criticism of failed predictions

Watch Tower Society publications have claimed that God has used Jehovah's Witnesses (and previously, the International Bible Students) to declare his will[285][286] and has equipped them with advanced knowledge about future world events.[287] Publications have also claimed God uses Witnesses as a modern-day prophet, warning about what is to come in a similar manner to Old Testament prophets.[288][289] Jehovah's Witnesses' publications have made various predictions about world events they believe were prophesied in the Bible.[289][290] Failed predictions have led to the alteration or abandonment of some doctrines.[291] Critics highlight failed predictions that the Watch Tower Society had claimed were "beyond doubt" or "approved by God".[292] The Watch Tower Society rejects accusations that it is a false prophet.[293] It says its interpretations of Bible prophecy are not infallible[294][295] and that its predictions were not claimed as "the words of Jehovah".[293] It states that some of its expectations have needed adjustment because of its eagerness for God's Kingdom, adding that it would be "foolish to take the view that expectations needing some adjustment should call into question the whole body of truth

   



GreenTiger @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:24 am

desertdude desertdude:
Doh ! I always thought that JW was just another name for the Mormons ! Goes to show how much I know about this. Although I did talk extensively to a Mormon missionary on another forum and did a lot of looking into that.

They are two different religious Christian Sects. Both proselytize in the same way and both feel that they are the only TRUE Christians.

The Mormons are are a much wealthier and politically powerful group. The are known for a few oddities they avoid coffee, tea, alcohol and tobacco (they view that as you would view Pork). The also wear secret underwear. Im not sure what that is about and I don't have the guts to ask.

   



GreenTiger @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:28 am

desertdude desertdude:
Doh ! I always thought that JW was just another name for the Mormons ! Goes to show how much I know about this. Although I did talk extensively to a Mormon missionary on another forum and did a lot of looking into that.

There are many, many Christian sects ranging from Roman Catholics to Greek and Russian Orthodox churches they are evangelical churches which are a lot less formal but they tend to be the most conservative. The Evangelicals don't have a problem with pork, but they avoid alcohol.

   



kenmore @ Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:10 am

Dragom Dragom:
kenmore kenmore:
Russell’s prophecy that Armageddon would occur in 1914 failed.


Thats a bit of a fluke as some Armageddon like stuff did occur in 1914



Like what? example please!

   



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