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Suicide or Euthanasia Right or Wrong?

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OPP @ Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:08 pm

Eisensapper Eisensapper:
You just said it would be ok if they were in unbareable pain. :?


Is this supposed to be a war of definition? Are you not capable of enterpeting my respons?

   



roger-roger @ Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:11 pm

You said it ok at with certain stipulations then you said it was NEVER ok. The devil is in the details, when it comes to something like this.

   



tritium @ Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:15 pm

I agree with assisted suicide. If I had an incurable disease, I would rather go out with dignity, rather than waste away and needing help to take a bath or go to the toilet.

   



Montrealaise @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:49 am

A distant relative of mine who was diagnosed with terminal stomach cancer, and in his early 80's wanted to be euthanized before he got too sick to travel, he did not want any treatment. He did not want to die in pain.

Let me tell you what a toll it took on his immediate family. But they respected his wishes. The hard part was saying goodbye to him, while he was still relatively well.

   



Zipperfish @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:06 pm

Eisensapper Eisensapper:
You just said it would be ok if they were in unbareable pain. :?


That's an awesome halloween avatar, Eisensapper. What's the story behind it?

   



roger-roger @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:20 pm

You ever see Pan's Labyrinth? It’s one of the monsters from that movie. It is an AMAZING film; I highly suggest you watch it.

   



Yogi @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:59 pm

I agree with euthanasia in terminal or vegetative circumstances.
Personally, I have taken the decision upon myself and have it registered with an attorney. In the event of coma, regardless of how it came about, medical staff can do as they see fit for 56 hours. After that, all life- support and life-saving measures are to cease. In the event of terminal illness, no life-saving measures are to be administered under any circumstances. Pain medication, 'to the point of oblivion' shall be the order of the day. DNR also in effect should there be any doubt in anyones mind.I have made my wishes known to all of my family members and none of them have any problem with respecting them.

   



Zipperfish @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:42 pm

Eisensapper Eisensapper:
You ever see Pan's Labyrinth? It’s one of the monsters from that movie. It is an AMAZING film; I highly suggest you watch it.


I really wanted to, but wiht little-uns it's hard to get out for a show. For sure I'll be seeing it now. Thanks

   



Brenda @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:38 pm

Montrealaise Montrealaise:
A distant relative of mine who was diagnosed with terminal stomach cancer, and in his early 80's wanted to be euthanized before he got too sick to travel, he did not want any treatment. He did not want to die in pain.

Let me tell you what a toll it took on his immediate family. But they respected his wishes. The hard part was saying goodbye to him, while he was still relatively well.


Is that Euthanasia anyway? Sounds like suicide/murder to me. The end result is the same, but still...

In my mind, euthanasia is a shortening of someones life that is ending within the next couple of days anyway. No treatment will ever make it better. Unbareable pain that can hardly be soothed with morphine. Vegetative state, braindeath.

Being diagnosed with terminal cancer is not a good enough reason for euthanasia imo, if you have a couple of months left to live. I don't think it is fair to the doctors to ask them to kill you while you are relatively healthy.

I have a friend with Duchene... He has been in a wheelchair for years now, (he's 34), he asked the doctors a couple of years ago to put him on an incubator. He can't talk anymore, he can't breath by himself, he can hardly use his hands and arms, he can still use his right arm a bit so he can use his laptop. And he sure as hell enjoys life. He has a great team of people around him that take care of him, and he is grateful for them all. There is no feeling sorry for him, and, funny enough, he called this guy a f*ckin pussy :lol:

   



stokes @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:50 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Well, personally, I've still kicking at 90, and get some terminal condition, I think I should be able to ride out of town on a Brompton cocktail (morphine and heroin mixed with gin). I tink this idea of keeping people alive, whether they like it or not, even if means breaking half their ribs when they lay the paddles on them, is a little perverse. As a society, we don't deal with death very well.


I agree with this so much, we as a society, spend horrendous amounts of money prolonging life with out increasing quality of life. We have in essence taken Darwinism out of the equation. If you go back 100 years, people died of injuries and illnesses all of the time and it was accepted as a the natural cycle of life.

I guess you could say that my view is that life should be self-sustaining and because of that fact I now have a living will, I will not live as a vegitable just to make my family feel good about themselves or so some doctor can justify his paycheque.

   



stokes @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:56 pm

[quote="Brenda
I have a friend with Duchene... He has been in a wheelchair for years now, (he's 34), he asked the doctors a couple of years ago to put him on an incubator. He can't talk anymore, he can't breath by himself, he can hardly use his hands and arms, he can still use his right arm a bit so he can use his laptop. And he sure as hell enjoys life. He has a great team of people around him that take care of him, and he is grateful for them all. [quote]

you know I am glad that your friend is happy to be alive but if he cant breathe on his own it seems like a very un-natural way to live, maybe he is a better man than me but I couldnt live like that.

   



xerxes @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:06 pm

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
You ever see Pan's Labyrinth? It’s one of the monsters from that movie. It is an AMAZING film; I highly suggest you watch it.


I really wanted to, but wiht little-uns it's hard to get out for a show. For sure I'll be seeing it now. Thanks


Do so. But it's not for little-un's though.

   



Pseudonym @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:10 pm

xerxes xerxes:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
You ever see Pan's Labyrinth? It’s one of the monsters from that movie. It is an AMAZING film; I highly suggest you watch it.


I really wanted to, but wiht little-uns it's hard to get out for a show. For sure I'll be seeing it now. Thanks


Do so. But it's not for little-un's though.

I've seen the film. It was pretty good. What is the text beneath Eisen's avatar though? It looks like something was supposed to be written in tiny text down there.

   



Brenda @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:12 pm

stokes stokes:
Brenda Brenda:
I have a friend with Duchene... He has been in a wheelchair for years now, (he's 34), he asked the doctors a couple of years ago to put him on an incubator. He can't talk anymore, he can't breath by himself, he can hardly use his hands and arms, he can still use his right arm a bit so he can use his laptop. And he sure as hell enjoys life. He has a great team of people around him that take care of him, and he is grateful for them all.


you know I am glad that your friend is happy to be alive but if he cant breathe on his own it seems like a very un-natural way to live, maybe he is a better man than me but I couldnt live like that.


I bet that is what he thought too. But don't forget he lives with this for 34 years...

   



novachick @ Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:02 pm

I believe in it on a case by case basis. In the instance of a terminal illness I think a person should have the right to choose. When this desire is found in someone that has become disabled I think a psyche eval should be imperative.

   



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