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Why? They loved Saw. Seriously, I wasn't going to take the kids--just commenting that it's hard to get out when they're this age.

   

DNRs aren't always respected. My grandmother had one and it was clearly posted in her room. She had been a chief surgical nurse for 15 years and had been a practicing RN for 45 years, so she knew what she wanted. She survived her first heart attack at age 74 and said if she was to ever have another it was to be a final one.

In 1999, at age 83 she suffered her second and final heart attack. If her wishes had of been followed it would have killed her in minutes, but instead some little shit resident ignored her wishes and interfered, breaking her ribs and dragging her death out for three more days before her heart finally gave out. Sometimes doctors need to weigh their oaths, when one aspect conflicts with the other.

I believe in a case by case evaluation. If it is a terminal disease, with a lot of suffering and loss of dignity then suicide should be an option. Euthanasia however, is imposed on someone by another's choice, so I'm not comfortable with it.

   

Suicide and euthanasia shouldn't be combined in the same poll. It's too much of an apples-to-oranges argument.

   

   

we always are in control Mr. Canada. The point with euthanasia however, is that you have somebody else end your life. In our society, that is called murder.

I agree Thanos, suicide and euthanasia is NOT the same.

   

You obviously don't understand the terms and the gulf that exists between the two. What Robert latimer did to his daughter is considered euthanasia by most people. What Sue Rodriguez did was physician assisted suicide. In the former situation the person dying has no say in the matter, while in the latter, the person dying chooses to do so.

What you said is hypocrtical beacause of the conflict over personal choice or lack thereof in the matter.

   

If you decide to take your own life, it's irrelevant what laws and regulations say about the matter.

Euthanasia is tricky to implement in any regular fashion - it's a Catch 22 - if you're in a state to want to end your life, you might not be in a state necessary to consent to it in the first place. It'd certainly need to involve some sort of psych assessment and discussion with relatives.

In the end, though, I don't believe in this notion that preserving someone's life at all costs is the best way to go, or that ending suffering is murder - someone shouldn't be forced to suffer through their terminal illness just because someone else gets an icky feeling when they think about euthanasia.

   

Because this is a forum and I can do what I want, I will now state my own opinion, whether or not you desire to hear it:

[tl;dw]

And that's what I think about that.

   

Just to clarify, he had to go from the UK to Zurich to get this done. He wanted to do it while it was still in his hands to, as Euthanasia is not legal in the UK. If he was too sick to travel, then th decision would be out of his hands. Exactly what he was trying to avoid.

   

He could have just put a rope around his neck and go to the woods. OD on whatever over the counter drug... What is the difference between having a friend helping him with that and a doctor putting the final needle in his arm?

Sorry, I have no respect for this guy.

I want to avoid getting older anyway. Got a solution for that? Should I kill myself today? Life sucks sometimes. Suck it up, buttercup... Deal with it.

(you don't have to clarify European issues to me, btw, I am Dutch )

   

You're not in any position to make that decision to just "deal with it" for anyone else, though.

If someone else decides they don't want to go through a painful death and would rather do it by means less barbaric than hanging himself, maybe it's you that needs to deal with it.

   

A "state of mind" is not a good reason to get "euthanised". I don't think you think it is a good idea to go that slippery slope, and condone every "suicidal depressed" person to get a doctor put a needle in his arm? "I can't do the things I used to do"... Shit, neither can I! Put me to sleep!

Of course I am not in any position to make that decision for someone else. But I am in the position to have an opinion on it. In this case, I think this guy is a coward, a pathetic little piece of shit. So basicly, he got what he deserved. I hope he knows what he has done to his loved ones.
Bite me.

(yes it goes deep...)

   

Most people aren't advocating that at all - most people have condoned it specifically in cases where the person is happy and led a good life, but doesn't want to go through the pain of a long, drawn out death from a terminal illness. Most people have also suggested psych evaluations as well, to ensure it's not simply a "state of mind".

I know if I was in that position, I'd rather my family and friends not have to deal with it, either. It's not going to be easy for them either way, but at least they wouldn't have to see me slowly degrade over weeks or months.


Calling people names and being rude isn't proving your case, and I fail to see how any of that reflects on the choice people should be able to make in consent with their doctor and family if faced with certain dire circumstances.

   

You know, BN, I wouldn't want anyone have to go through is. To die. To be sick. But it happens.
And no, they don't have to see you degrade (was this guy degrading? His mind maybe, but there are lots of people with his condition who have a great life. He could have tried it, and take anti-depressants...), they lose you like you don't give a damn, just in a flash. Because "it's so hard on you".
In this case, it is that slippery slope...

I don't care if you fail to see my point of view. Let me make clear though, that I am not against euthanasia. I am pro-choice, always. It doesn't mean I always agree. And suicide is not something that gets my respect. In any case.

   

Well, it certainly raised the question of why you'd be on a discussion forum if you're not open to a discussion. Nobody's twisting your arm here.

You can be stubborn and ignore anything anyone says (note that the specific case of the rugby player isn't the kind of circumstance most people are even talking about, but you keep going back to that) but that still doesn't make your point any more valid.

On the other hand, insulting people with suicidal depression and saying they should "deal with it" is just plain ignorant and a simplistic generalization of what is most certainly a very complicated issue.

   

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