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You have to have read the book. It's difficult to explain.

   

romanP is difficult to explain too.

   

Woohooo 2 pages no slurs

   

Maybe you should read it. I'll give the best explanation I can.

In 1947, George Orwell wrote a book about a Britain that is much like what the USSR was in its most authoritarian form and to some degree still is now, with constant, unwavering surveillance (an actual thing that is happening in modern day Britain), an industrial-strength propaganda machine, and an unending war where the enemy is always changing but always the same. In order to keep people in line and agreeing with state surveillance, the state-run message-enforced media would frequently change its position and then insist that the current position is the only one it has ever had, and all disbelievers will be shamed and disappeared. One day, Eurasia could be at war with Oceania, and at war with Eastasia the next, but no one is really sure if there is even a war happening at all.

SO...

The reasoning behind my comment would be that it doesn't really matter which president people approve of, because it is similar to the way that Putin and Medvedev constantly switch positions, except that in America, it's the parties that switch position and not the person they've chosen as president. It might as well be a comparison between a dollar bill printed in 2000 and dollar bill printed now.. it doesn't matter when it was printed. It might look different, but it's still worth the same.

   

So according to you then Regan's presidency was no diffrent then the current one of Obama's? Seeing as how you view it that way no "change" in Gov. in any nation is ever a real change in Gov. because the same type of people or parties lead it. Thus todays Gov. in Germany is the same as when Hitler ruled Germany. As you see the comparison falls short over time. Each administration changes the country some to lesser degrees then others but over time those changes accumulate and how that society is and how it is run changes. Thus 100 years from now the person who is President will not ressemble the current adminstration except on the most basic and broad levels.

   

I really would like to argue with you about all of this just on principle alone but given the leaks and etc. of recent months and the collusion of Democrats and Republicans on the NSA scandal I have to agree with you.

   

Source - dated June 11, 2013


Source - dated April 22, 2013

Gallup doesn't seem to claim any moment where Obama's approval rating was lower than Bush's. The original article compared Bush's Gallup results to a CNN/ORC poll -- arguably apples to oranges.

Even if there is a point somewhere where Bush's approval ratings peaked over Obama's (mid-to-late March, perhaps), it was by less than the margin of error. This story is Republican cheerleading, not fact.

   

FEMA couldn't send any help to that Texas town that got blown up by the fertilizer plant explosion because all their rescue budget has been chewed up by all the death camps they've been building.

   

the current round of neo-liberal governments is really not much different from the governments of Nixon or Reagen, yes. the same people, using the same principals of "pay us or die", are still operating everything. all that has changed is technology and the face of the president.



this thread is not about the government of Germany. I was using Putin and Medvedev's switching of positions as a comparison to what's going on between Republicans and Democrats, not as an absolute rule.

   

   

IceOwl was a radical lefty.



No, because he hasn't done anything that's ban-worthy. Classy lot, our moderators, they give everyone a second chance.

   

i should probably change my alias again. i didn't realise at the time of choosing this one that the song it is the title of is about Roman Polanski. on the good side, at least it's not a song apologising for his crimes but being heavily critical of them.

   

   

if it's really that important to you... i made a different account since i hadn't logged into the iceowl account in a long time. there were disputes about the rules, but i argued that the rule the mods were attempting to apply to me didn't satisfy the circumstances and won with the deletion of the old account.

   

   

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