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Think before posting...one should always think period.

Seriously though this thread is getting way out of hand. Can we stop the flame war?

   

and you should read before posting. I'm talking about organization. Glenn Beck started a mouvement, yes, but he is a radio/tv host. He's paid for that. I'm talking about people who get subsidies/whatever just to manifest.

   

A very good idea.


Dial the flaming back or the nukes fly.

Thanks.

   

Somebody owes a Twoonie to the "Glenn Beck" jar. Cough it up, ZIP.

   

I thoroughly enjoy the part where the radical populists use "community organizer" as a slur against Obama for his political upbringing in Chicago but see it as a positive when Beck (Tea-Parties, 9/12 Movement, Hundred-Year Program, God-Guns-Gold, etc.) engages in the identical behaviour.

Of course Obama, as opposed to Beck, wasn't stoking up people who genuinely see lynchings or assassinations as a legit part of the community political process. But that's all a future fight for a different thread.

   

"Grass Roots" is just Fox News admitting to Illicit Drug use.

   

damn socialists giving us those damn headaches like
health care
hospitals
police
schools
parks
UI
CPP
and those damn "socialist" unions
taking away our 6day 12 hour per day 72 hour work week with no
safety standards or benefits
damn all of them
I love being Canadian its so passive aggressive

   

   

Plus...I cheat. I collected the links on astroturfing as they came out.

If you're prepared to take my word for it though, I watched what was available on the progressive side at the time. There is exponentially more evidence of classic astroturfing from the left than from the rank and file tea party movement.

There's evidence of effort from the right, of course, but not enough to explain the massive result. Right wing media encouragement, undeniably. From an organizational standpoint however my impression is it was more ad hoc, patchwork stuff. The organization was in its infancy. The movement does appear to get be getting better organized now. That may be what's attracting the Nanny State guys - the guys who like control (I'd call a spade a spade, and tell you what they really are, but apparently it makes some pout, and encourages flaming).

With the old guard left there's more evidence of effort, or attempt than result. Strong evidence of big organizational command, and the stuff that was done is pretty damning.

   

This thread is a great example of why I miss Filibuster Cartoons.

   

aye you said it Psudo.

edit: wow you know I'm tried when I screw up the spelling in a post that short.

   

This is the crux right here. It's not that Obama is socialist, I've never heard the word so much since he won the election BTW, it's that this is the attack strategy of the opposition. On the most basic level, (and look at some of those crowds and especially their idiotic placards and you can see you are dealing with the 'most basic level'), any government spending can be twisted into 'socialism'. Any government spending. It's easy to call any 'social program', 'socialist'.
So this is an easy club for the oppostion to use: if the government does any spending at all - and to do anything it must spend - then it can be pigeonholed and spun into this 'socialist' crap. If the government does nothing well, that's easy to attack as well obviously.

Not socialism, just petty attacks from the whiner party.

   

Sounds like politics. Except when the left does it, like, for example, Canada's stimulus program, the opposition attacked Harper for not doing anything, and then attacked him for not spending enough. Oh and then they attack Harper for deficit spending.

The word "socialism" is just a nice way to summarize what Obama is doing right now, which was take a lot of money, give it to the various states so the states can cover some of their various debts and budget shortfalls.



Maybe. I wouldn't call them petty, and I wouldn't call the whining solely for the Republicans (but you hate Republican 'talking points'), I'd just call it politics.

   

No 'except' to it. Yes it's politics - exactly. Politics NOT communism, not socialism. That's exactly my point. THanks.


Oh open your eyes for once and be fair: this forum is full of me throwing down 'lefty' talking points as well so don't try and hide behind dismissing me as simply a 'lefty'. And yeah I would call the republicans whiney. I remember all through the Bush years they loved to post that 'seal of the democratic party' with the crying baby on it...well it's come full circle now hasn't it? Yeah it has. They're crying over anything now.

   

...That's what I was saying. I'm just showing how the other side does the exact same thing. Well, you're welcome then.



When did I ever dismiss you? I don't dismiss anybody's statements or beliefs, even if they are leftists. If you got that impression, then we'll see if we can have an actual discussion for once in the realms of this subforum of CKA.



And I won't deny that. Some Republican diehards on other sites (never seen that sticker here, but yes, I've been on US forums where it has been used) used to attack Democrats for whenever an issue came about, even if they were legitimate. I haven't seen that here, (mostly because this is a Canadian site, and US political issues stay minor) but some of the "Republican talking points" you dismissed people over were legitimate issues.

   

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