Myth vs. Fact: DHS Zero-Tolerance Policy
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Thanos @ Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:10 pm
The government of the Third Reich backed off for a while on "euthanizing" the mentally ill and crippled under their pre-war T4 program only after the churches made their activities public and shamed them into stopping. Then went the war began they stopped pretending altogether that they cared about public opinion, did what they wanted, and didn't give a damn what any dissenters inside Germany thought of it.
Food for thought. This is the Trump regime. Just because they stopped doing something disgusting today doesn't mean they aren't going to do something vile tomorrow. Absolutely guaranteed that the worst is yet to come from these bastards.
llama66 @ Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:14 pm
This is my biggest fear, that the US may be turning down a very dark road. I just hope they don't repeat Germany's mistakes. Also, I fear the may turn to us for Lebensraum.
Thanos @ Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:25 pm
Think of it this way: by seizing children Trump actually lived up to the pitiless hardcore anti-Latino rhetoric he's been pushing for years. What's next, will he live up to his similar demented musings he made on the campaign trail (that were echoed multiple times by his lackeys who were sent to speak to the media) about "what's the use of a nuclear arsenal if you never use it"?
Don't ever discount how dangerous this cretin is to the entire world, and the things he lives up to are turning out to be a million times worse than the incessant lying he and his cultists do.
N_Fiddledog @ Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:24 pm
This one's worth a read:
American Children Terrorized by CPS While Lawmakers Cry About Border Children
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:26 am
My fellow Canadians. Get off your fucking high horse. Canada has been doing the same thing for years now. I find it disturbing that the leftists in Canada care more about what Trump does than what Trudeau does.
SO my question to those Canadians casting aspersions on Trump over this, is it REALLY the kids you care about or was this simply another excuse to bash Trump because A)the derangement syndrome is getting worse, and B) media told you to.
An average of 186 kids per year. That's how many immigrant kids are being held in detention in Canada without their parents while Trudeau has been PM. Some of them for weeks and months at a time. Where's the condemnation, the outrage?
You all are a bunch of fucking hypocrites and phonies. I have never been so fucking revolted by my fellow Canadians as I have been over the last few days.
And as if the faux self-righteousness from average Canadians wasn't disgusting enough, Trudeau opening his yap about it was the epitome of being a hypocritical douchefuck.
BeaverFever @ Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:40 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
![[stupid]](./images/smilies/stupid.gif "With stupid")
Nope try again.
BeaverFever @ Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:41 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
My fellow Canadians. Get off your fucking high horse. Canada has been doing the same thing for years now. I find it disturbing that the leftists in Canada care more about what Trump does than what Trudeau does.
SO my question to those Canadians casting aspersions on Trump over this, is it REALLY the kids you care about or was this simply another excuse to bash Trump because A)the derangement syndrome is getting worse, and B) media told you to.
An average of 186 kids per year. That's how many immigrant kids are being held in detention in Canada without their parents while Trudeau has been PM. Some of them for weeks and months at a time. Where's the condemnation, the outrage?
You all are a bunch of fucking hypocrites and phonies. I have never been so fucking revolted by my fellow Canadians as I have been over the last few days.
And as if the faux self-righteousness from average Canadians wasn't disgusting enough, Trudeau opening his yap about it was the epitome of being a hypocritical douchefuck.
SO my question to those Canadians casting aspersions on Trump over this, is it REALLY the kids you care about or was this simply another excuse to bash Trump because A)the derangement syndrome is getting worse, and B) media told you to.
An average of 186 kids per year. That's how many immigrant kids are being held in detention in Canada without their parents while Trudeau has been PM. Some of them for weeks and months at a time. Where's the condemnation, the outrage?
You all are a bunch of fucking hypocrites and phonies. I have never been so fucking revolted by my fellow Canadians as I have been over the last few days.
And as if the faux self-righteousness from average Canadians wasn't disgusting enough, Trudeau opening his yap about it was the epitome of being a hypocritical douchefuck.
Your false claim that Canada does this was already debunked when you initially tried to make it. Go check the reply to your previous post.
DrCaleb @ Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:19 am
martin14 martin14:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I'd vote for you, just to see if you'd win. 
Who, me ?
You'd be the only one.
Well, you and my neighbour's cat.
No, the Llama.
I like cats too. See, a cat won't eat it's own food off the floor, but a dog will eat it's own barf.
One animal has self respect. The other is a cute wiggle butt.
DrCaleb @ Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:25 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Woohoo! Score one for the good guys!
After outcry, Trump signs order that will stop separations and detain families together
After outcry, Trump signs order that will stop separations and detain families together
$1:
Bowing to pressure from anxious allies, President Donald Trump signed an executive order Wednesday ending the process of separating children from families after they are detained crossing the U.S. border illegally.
And there is another lie we were talking about earlier.
A couple days ago, it was the Democrats doing this and only they could undo it. But it was Trump, and he could undo it with the stroke of a pen all along.
He was just using and abusing children as leverage to get his wall.
And now it's coming out that there may be hundreds of children who are too young to know who their parents are, and nobody bothered to record that little detail, so many may become orphans because they can't be re-united with their parents. All because of this little ego trip El Presidente Trump took.
MAGA
BartSimpson @ Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:39 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
A couple days ago, it was the Democrats doing this and only they could undo it. But it was Trump, and he could undo it with the stroke of a pen all along.
And Trump wants CONGRESS to fix this because the next President can simply undo this EO with another EO...just like Trump has undone so much of Obama's legacy of fiat diktats.
Also, the EO keeps families together but then expedites their deportation.
I'm not seeing a downside to this.
Zipperfish @ Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:54 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
My fellow Canadians. Get off your fucking high horse. Canada has been doing the same thing for years now. I find it disturbing that the leftists in Canada care more about what Trump does than what Trudeau does.
SO my question to those Canadians casting aspersions on Trump over this, is it REALLY the kids you care about or was this simply another excuse to bash Trump because A)the derangement syndrome is getting worse, and B) media told you to.
An average of 186 kids per year. That's how many immigrant kids are being held in detention in Canada without their parents while Trudeau has been PM. Some of them for weeks and months at a time. Where's the condemnation, the outrage?
You all are a bunch of fucking hypocrites and phonies. I have never been so fucking revolted by my fellow Canadians as I have been over the last few days.
And as if the faux self-righteousness from average Canadians wasn't disgusting enough, Trudeau opening his yap about it was the epitome of being a hypocritical douchefuck.
SO my question to those Canadians casting aspersions on Trump over this, is it REALLY the kids you care about or was this simply another excuse to bash Trump because A)the derangement syndrome is getting worse, and B) media told you to.
An average of 186 kids per year. That's how many immigrant kids are being held in detention in Canada without their parents while Trudeau has been PM. Some of them for weeks and months at a time. Where's the condemnation, the outrage?
You all are a bunch of fucking hypocrites and phonies. I have never been so fucking revolted by my fellow Canadians as I have been over the last few days.
And as if the faux self-righteousness from average Canadians wasn't disgusting enough, Trudeau opening his yap about it was the epitome of being a hypocritical douchefuck.
I'm wondering with you alt-right types: Is all righteousness "faux righteousness"? Is all virtue "virtue signaling." Are all people that do good "do-gooders"? Seems that way.
Hypocrisy seems to be the primary sin of the alt-right. Does that mean that people should not strive to good unless they are absolutely morally pure, otherwise they'd be hypocrites? Thursday ponderings.
DrCaleb @ Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:55 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
A couple days ago, it was the Democrats doing this and only they could undo it. But it was Trump, and he could undo it with the stroke of a pen all along.
And Trump wants CONGRESS to fix this because the next President can simply undo this EO with another EO...just like Trump has undone so much of Obama's legacy of fiat diktats.
Also, the EO keeps families together but then expedites their deportation.
I'm not seeing a downside to this.
Trump wants Congress to fix it, so they can tack a budget on it to build his wall. But children have to suffer, some for the rest of their lives, over a problem he himself created.
I'm sure you see that as a downside.
Read this if you think the media covered Trump's migrant crisis unfairly: Robyn Urback
Tricks @ Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:32 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
A couple days ago, it was the Democrats doing this and only they could undo it. But it was Trump, and he could undo it with the stroke of a pen all along.
And Trump wants CONGRESS to fix this because the next President can simply undo this EO with another EO...just like Trump has undone so much of Obama's legacy of fiat diktats.
Also, the EO keeps families together but then expedites their deportation.
I'm not seeing a downside to this.
Don't the republicans control congress?
N_Fiddledog @ Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:14 pm
I think there are bills waiting to get through. Don't know what the delay is.
Dems allow separation of parents, children to continue, just to score political points
$1:
The recent crisis at the border surrounding so-called “family separation” policies has been a clarifying moment. We can now, once and for all, clearly distinguish between the people who really want to solve our illegal immigration crisis and those who want to utilize this national security issue for political grandstanding, to gain power.
Sen. Ted Cruz’s (R-Texas) bill looks to be the best and fastest solution. It mandates that families who immigrate illegally must be kept together; it authorizes new temporary shelters, doubles the number of federal immigration judges and provides for expedited processing of asylum cases to ensure cases are decided promptly and families don’t live in detention facilities for longer than necessary.
The fact of the matter is, many on the center-right would prefer that families, when it is verifiable, stay together during deportation hearings and then be deported together.
Thankfully, President Trump signed an executive order to stop separation of families at the border. But it's not a long-term solution. Congress does have to act.
Yet critics like Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) are dead set against such solutions. He and his Democratic cronies are suggesting that President Trump has the legal authority to immediately stop the separate detention of parents and their children at the border.
Rather than realize he’s part of a coequal branch of government, Schumer is rejecting all responsibility to manage the crisis at the border and, instead, would rather have these policies continue.
Republicans should call Schumer’s bluff and pass Cruz’s bill. Put the question to Democrats: Are you willing to let the separation of parents from their children continue to score political points? Apparently the answer is “yes.”
This entire episode has really shown what Democrats and their allies in the media believe as the week dragged on: They see no purpose in immigration laws and favor open-border policies.
For proof of that, consider Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (D-Calif.) proposed legislation in which illegal immigrants, even those potentially guilty of terrorism, couldn’t be arrested within 100 miles of the border. For those of you who need a translation, that’s “open borders” by another term. Now restrictions on unlimited immigration, enforcing immigration laws on the books, even simply working for the Department of Homeland Security, apparently makes you tantamount to being a Nazi.
The left has adopted the most radical of immigration positions, that essentially anyone interested in entering the country should have the legal right to do so. This is a far cry from what Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer and even one former Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) were saying just a few years ago.
The activist elements fueling the energy in the Democratic Party have decided that borders are racist, that it’s wrong for countries to manage who crosses their borders, that we should fling the doors wide to anyone who shows up.
It would be nice if the coastal elite could get outside of their bubble and realize the rest of the country doesn’t quite agree with them. In fact, many despise the elites.
You need look no further than the election of Donald Trump, perhaps the most hardline of any of the Republicans running for President in 2016. In the words of Michael Moore, Trump’s election would be the greatest “ eff you” in the history of the world.
Remember the “Build the wall!” chants that permeated virtually every Trump rally? Republican voters had the option to choose the soft-borders policies of any of the other candidates — for example, “low-energy Jeb” Bush — but they chose the guy who made immigration a centerpiece of his campaign. And that guy then won the general election.
Instead of realizing, like the supposedly intelligent people they are, the electoral backlash to the bipartisan “globalism first” policies of our elites, Democrats and the media have doubled down. They don’t simply report the facts or opposing policies with which they disagree, and the left has gone full-bore radical: Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was literally chased out of a restaurant by screaming socialists who plan to hound her and anyone else they can attack.
Former Democratic campaign staffers are encouraging mobs to use LinkedIn to find anyone who works for DHS or Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Occupy Wall Street activists tweeted out a cartoon-like diagram — since removed — showing how to stab an ICE agent and rip out his heart; the group now claims it was satire, according to news reports.
The left is not restricting its harassments and threats to only the political leadership; they’re extending it to IT workers. In the eyes of the left, if you’re not with us, you’re basically a Nazi and you’ll get what you deserve. We might be just a year past a gunman’s assassination attempt on Republican senators and congressman during baseball practice, but the left shows no signs of moderating its extremism or changing its violent, aggressive tactics. In its mind, there is no more debate: To disagree is to be evil, and if you are dehumanized and evil, you must be eradicated.
Enough is enough. Democrats and the media need to end this charade and dial back their rhetoric. It’s only a matter of time before one of their acolytes decides tweets aren’t enough, and takes it to the next level.
Pass Cruz’s bill to fix the border and then, once and for all, address immigration in a way that protects our borders and affirms national sovereignty.
Sen. Ted Cruz’s (R-Texas) bill looks to be the best and fastest solution. It mandates that families who immigrate illegally must be kept together; it authorizes new temporary shelters, doubles the number of federal immigration judges and provides for expedited processing of asylum cases to ensure cases are decided promptly and families don’t live in detention facilities for longer than necessary.
The fact of the matter is, many on the center-right would prefer that families, when it is verifiable, stay together during deportation hearings and then be deported together.
Thankfully, President Trump signed an executive order to stop separation of families at the border. But it's not a long-term solution. Congress does have to act.
Yet critics like Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) are dead set against such solutions. He and his Democratic cronies are suggesting that President Trump has the legal authority to immediately stop the separate detention of parents and their children at the border.
Rather than realize he’s part of a coequal branch of government, Schumer is rejecting all responsibility to manage the crisis at the border and, instead, would rather have these policies continue.
Republicans should call Schumer’s bluff and pass Cruz’s bill. Put the question to Democrats: Are you willing to let the separation of parents from their children continue to score political points? Apparently the answer is “yes.”
This entire episode has really shown what Democrats and their allies in the media believe as the week dragged on: They see no purpose in immigration laws and favor open-border policies.
For proof of that, consider Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (D-Calif.) proposed legislation in which illegal immigrants, even those potentially guilty of terrorism, couldn’t be arrested within 100 miles of the border. For those of you who need a translation, that’s “open borders” by another term. Now restrictions on unlimited immigration, enforcing immigration laws on the books, even simply working for the Department of Homeland Security, apparently makes you tantamount to being a Nazi.
The left has adopted the most radical of immigration positions, that essentially anyone interested in entering the country should have the legal right to do so. This is a far cry from what Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer and even one former Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) were saying just a few years ago.
The activist elements fueling the energy in the Democratic Party have decided that borders are racist, that it’s wrong for countries to manage who crosses their borders, that we should fling the doors wide to anyone who shows up.
It would be nice if the coastal elite could get outside of their bubble and realize the rest of the country doesn’t quite agree with them. In fact, many despise the elites.
You need look no further than the election of Donald Trump, perhaps the most hardline of any of the Republicans running for President in 2016. In the words of Michael Moore, Trump’s election would be the greatest “ eff you” in the history of the world.
Remember the “Build the wall!” chants that permeated virtually every Trump rally? Republican voters had the option to choose the soft-borders policies of any of the other candidates — for example, “low-energy Jeb” Bush — but they chose the guy who made immigration a centerpiece of his campaign. And that guy then won the general election.
Instead of realizing, like the supposedly intelligent people they are, the electoral backlash to the bipartisan “globalism first” policies of our elites, Democrats and the media have doubled down. They don’t simply report the facts or opposing policies with which they disagree, and the left has gone full-bore radical: Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was literally chased out of a restaurant by screaming socialists who plan to hound her and anyone else they can attack.
Former Democratic campaign staffers are encouraging mobs to use LinkedIn to find anyone who works for DHS or Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Occupy Wall Street activists tweeted out a cartoon-like diagram — since removed — showing how to stab an ICE agent and rip out his heart; the group now claims it was satire, according to news reports.
The left is not restricting its harassments and threats to only the political leadership; they’re extending it to IT workers. In the eyes of the left, if you’re not with us, you’re basically a Nazi and you’ll get what you deserve. We might be just a year past a gunman’s assassination attempt on Republican senators and congressman during baseball practice, but the left shows no signs of moderating its extremism or changing its violent, aggressive tactics. In its mind, there is no more debate: To disagree is to be evil, and if you are dehumanized and evil, you must be eradicated.
Enough is enough. Democrats and the media need to end this charade and dial back their rhetoric. It’s only a matter of time before one of their acolytes decides tweets aren’t enough, and takes it to the next level.
Pass Cruz’s bill to fix the border and then, once and for all, address immigration in a way that protects our borders and affirms national sovereignty.
http://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/ ... t-to-score
llama66 @ Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:04 pm
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
martin14 martin14:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
I'd vote for you, just to see if you'd win.
Who, me ?
You'd be the only one.
Well, you and my neighbour's cat.
No, the Llama.
I like cats too. See, a cat won't eat it's own food off the floor, but a dog will eat it's own barf.
One animal has self respect. The other is a cute wiggle butt.
You clearly have not met my cat. Monster is too weak of a word.
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