Myth vs. Fact: DHS Zero-Tolerance Policy
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martin14 @ Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:25 pm
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
1) one story doesn’t prove “all lies”. There are ovw 2300 kids sepRted from parents
2) we don’t know what’s happened to this guy’s family , he’s just relaying what a Honduran official claims to have been told by a US official Given Trump’s propensity for lying I wouldn’t trust it
2) we don’t know what’s happened to this guy’s family , he’s just relaying what a Honduran official claims to have been told by a US official Given Trump’s propensity for lying I wouldn’t trust it
As usual, you are full of shit.
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Time apologizes for cover story about migrant girl who they said was taken 'screaming' from her mother by US Border Patrol agents, after it emerged the pair were NEVER separated
Time said that three-year-old Yanela Denise was taken 'screaming' from her mother
It used the toddler's famous photograph on its cover and put her next to Trump
The controversial composition showed him looking down on her and featured the words 'welcome to America'
On Friday, Yanela's father revealed to DailyMail.com that she was never separated from her mother
The photographer which took the image never said she was either
Yanela and her mother are still together and are 'safe' in a Texan detention center
Time has corrected its story but is standing by using Yanela on the cover
Time said that three-year-old Yanela Denise was taken 'screaming' from her mother
It used the toddler's famous photograph on its cover and put her next to Trump
The controversial composition showed him looking down on her and featured the words 'welcome to America'
On Friday, Yanela's father revealed to DailyMail.com that she was never separated from her mother
The photographer which took the image never said she was either
Yanela and her mother are still together and are 'safe' in a Texan detention center
Time has corrected its story but is standing by using Yanela on the cover
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Its editor says the cover 'captures the stakes' of the family separation debate
In leftyspeak, 'We lied, but it's ok because were going for emotion, not journalism.'
Coach85 @ Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:59 pm
martin14 martin14:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
1) one story doesn’t prove “all lies”. There are ovw 2300 kids sepRted from parents
2) we don’t know what’s happened to this guy’s family , he’s just relaying what a Honduran official claims to have been told by a US official Given Trump’s propensity for lying I wouldn’t trust it
2) we don’t know what’s happened to this guy’s family , he’s just relaying what a Honduran official claims to have been told by a US official Given Trump’s propensity for lying I wouldn’t trust it
As usual, you are full of shit.
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Time apologizes for cover story about migrant girl who they said was taken 'screaming' from her mother by US Border Patrol agents, after it emerged the pair were NEVER separated
Time said that three-year-old Yanela Denise was taken 'screaming' from her mother
It used the toddler's famous photograph on its cover and put her next to Trump
The controversial composition showed him looking down on her and featured the words 'welcome to America'
On Friday, Yanela's father revealed to DailyMail.com that she was never separated from her mother
The photographer which took the image never said she was either
Yanela and her mother are still together and are 'safe' in a Texan detention center
Time has corrected its story but is standing by using Yanela on the cover
Time said that three-year-old Yanela Denise was taken 'screaming' from her mother
It used the toddler's famous photograph on its cover and put her next to Trump
The controversial composition showed him looking down on her and featured the words 'welcome to America'
On Friday, Yanela's father revealed to DailyMail.com that she was never separated from her mother
The photographer which took the image never said she was either
Yanela and her mother are still together and are 'safe' in a Texan detention center
Time has corrected its story but is standing by using Yanela on the cover
$1:
Its editor says the cover 'captures the stakes' of the family separation debate
In leftyspeak, 'We lied, but it's ok because were going for emotion, not journalism.'
Speaking of emotion, this pretty much sums up your hypocrisy and those of your ilk.
It's literally the most entertaining 3 minutes.
N_Fiddledog @ Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:54 pm
herbie @ Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:19 pm
No low Trump supporters will stoop to support him either, no matter how irrelevant to the point, they'll use it to defend the worthless scumbag. Because Il Douchebag does the same tactic several times ever day.
One thing about drain the swamp. it's clear who the scum are now.
N_Fiddledog @ Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:05 pm
herbie @ Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:04 pm
Hope you're 'liberals' is not referring to me. I don't support either of those fucking right wing parties 
herbie @ Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:07 pm
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martin14 @ Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:24 pm
It just keeps getting better...
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On June 12, 2018, Sandra Maria Sanchez, 32, a previously deported woman from Honduras illegally re-entered the United States.
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ICE told Heavy that Sanchez was previously deported. “On July 3, 2013, Sanchez was encountered by immigration officials in Hebbronville, Texas. On July 9, 2013, she was transferred to ICE ERO custody. On July 18, 2013, Sanchez was deported back to Honduras under expedited removal.”
https://heavy.com/news/2018/06/yanela-denise/
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He said she had talked about going to the United States for a “better future” but she did not say she had made the decision to take the 1,800-mile trip — paying a “coyote” smuggler $6,000 to take them.
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2018/06/ ... ys-father/
Don't trust the MSM, all they do is lie.
martin14 @ Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:27 pm
Coach85 Coach85:
Speaking of emotion, this pretty much sums up your hypocrisy and those of your ilk.
You, of all posters here, the supposed 'centrist' should know better.
"Let's wait for some facts."
Nope, you go full SJW whining crybaby like the rest of the alt left.
Hook, line and sinker into all the lies.
See, this is why you have zero credibility around here.
fifeboy @ Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:44 pm
You’re a lier
No, you’re a lier
No, you’re a lier
No, you’re a lier
No, you’re a lier
No, you’re a lier
No, you’re a lier
No, you’re a lier
Lier all the way down
Tricks @ Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:11 pm
Coach85 Coach85:
The one tucker line "This president believes he's the chosen one and can not deal with criticism."
That comment doesn't age well now does it you rat faced fuck. Fuck I hate fox news. Journalists in general are trash, but fox brings it to another level.
N_Fiddledog @ Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:20 pm
Tricks Tricks:
Fuck I hate fox news. Journalists in general are trash, but fox brings it to another level.
What about The Hill then? How do you feel about them?
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Americans have been played again by open-border advocates
Americans care about children. We get upset when we hear stories or see images of children in distress. The problem is, some in positions of power exploit that concern to achieve their political agendas. They use words and show images that don’t reflect the truth.
This is happening on our southern border with reckless abandon. The Trump administration’s immigration priorities are toppling the dysfunctional status quo in Washington, and the open borders lobby is fighting back by using a playbook that has served it well for many years. They just used it again with the children on the border crisis story with great success.
The playbook goes something like this: Identify an issue, in this case, the immigration laws whereby children of illegal aliens were housed separately while their parents’ cases are being adjudicated. Then spread wild misrepresentations, sensationalism and flat-out lies about the targeted policy. Next, deploy fellow travelers in the media, entertainment and the pundit class to pile on manufactured outrage at the enforcers of such a purportedly sinister policy. After several days of scathing media coverage declaring the entire nation aghast at the policy, the president calms his panic-stricken congressional allies and seeks to appease the angry mob.
It’s played like a street hustler’s card game, and the American people are starting to realize that they are the sucker in the game.
People are getting wise to the kind of manipulation that took place with the children at the border. They see the absurd exploitation in the news, such as the publishing of photos suggesting that Trump policies put migrant children at the border in cages, until it was revealed that the photos were from the Obama era or not from the border at all. Migrant children in U.S. government custody, it turns out, are housed in very comfortable facilities with better food, housing, medical care and education services than many American children in low-income families receive. They see that foreigners are being coached by lawyers from open borders groups to say the “magic words” that trigger the asylum process, even though their claims may be dubious at best.
Americans do not want a two-tiered justice system which gives non-citizens more rights than themselves. They are sick of politicians who value the interests of foreigners over U.S. citizens. It has been an accepted part of the social contract in America that those who commit criminal acts face criminal penalties, including incarceration. U.S. citizens who break the law are sent to prison every day with little or no weight given to the fact that they may have children. Now we are told that non-citizens who break our laws should get special treatment because they have children. That is unfair — to Americans.
More Americans see that allowing unfettered, chaotic migration to America is not an act of kindness, but an irresponsible act that Americans suffer for on a daily basis. For every illegal alien who merely seeks better financial prospects — not grounds for asylum under U.S. law, it is worth noting — there are too many others who bring with them MS-13 gang membership, drug trafficking, violent crimes and murder. They see their local schools, hospitals and social services overwhelmed. Even when nonviolent aliens enter the country illegally, they often commit identity fraud with stolen social security numbers, which forces American citizens to repair the damage to their lives. Who in the media pleads the case for these innocents? Simply put, illegally entering our country is not a victimless crime.
Much to his credit, President Trump has vowed that zero-tolerance will continue alongside his executive order requiring migrant families to be kept together in government custody. Beyond a small group of stalwart Republicans in Congress, it seems the only person in Washington even considering the interests of the American people is President Trump and his pillars of immigration reform including a real border wall and ending chain migration and the visa lottery program. Citizens of other countries seemingly have more representation in Congress when it comes to immigration than do the citizens of this country. That is an absolute disgrace.
It is clear that the outrage being hurled at President Trump has almost nothing to do with concern for the children. It is merely the latest tactic by those who desire an open southern border, to the point that the United States can no longer be considered a nation of laws and borders. Now that migrant families will be reunited on the border, the next alleged crime against humanity will be that those families are being detained at all. Those who vilify Trump’s zero-tolerance enforcement are essentially giving a government subsidy to the child smuggling black market, which sees lucrative profits as more would-be asylum seekers are drawn to what they correctly see as an easy pass into America. Open borders do not help children, they put them in peril.
If those who claim a monopoly on caring for the children at the border really want to help them, the best thing they could do is to stop conning the American people while demonizing those who only want a safe, sovereign America. Stop the games and start working on real solutions.
Americans care about children. We get upset when we hear stories or see images of children in distress. The problem is, some in positions of power exploit that concern to achieve their political agendas. They use words and show images that don’t reflect the truth.
This is happening on our southern border with reckless abandon. The Trump administration’s immigration priorities are toppling the dysfunctional status quo in Washington, and the open borders lobby is fighting back by using a playbook that has served it well for many years. They just used it again with the children on the border crisis story with great success.
The playbook goes something like this: Identify an issue, in this case, the immigration laws whereby children of illegal aliens were housed separately while their parents’ cases are being adjudicated. Then spread wild misrepresentations, sensationalism and flat-out lies about the targeted policy. Next, deploy fellow travelers in the media, entertainment and the pundit class to pile on manufactured outrage at the enforcers of such a purportedly sinister policy. After several days of scathing media coverage declaring the entire nation aghast at the policy, the president calms his panic-stricken congressional allies and seeks to appease the angry mob.
It’s played like a street hustler’s card game, and the American people are starting to realize that they are the sucker in the game.
People are getting wise to the kind of manipulation that took place with the children at the border. They see the absurd exploitation in the news, such as the publishing of photos suggesting that Trump policies put migrant children at the border in cages, until it was revealed that the photos were from the Obama era or not from the border at all. Migrant children in U.S. government custody, it turns out, are housed in very comfortable facilities with better food, housing, medical care and education services than many American children in low-income families receive. They see that foreigners are being coached by lawyers from open borders groups to say the “magic words” that trigger the asylum process, even though their claims may be dubious at best.
Americans do not want a two-tiered justice system which gives non-citizens more rights than themselves. They are sick of politicians who value the interests of foreigners over U.S. citizens. It has been an accepted part of the social contract in America that those who commit criminal acts face criminal penalties, including incarceration. U.S. citizens who break the law are sent to prison every day with little or no weight given to the fact that they may have children. Now we are told that non-citizens who break our laws should get special treatment because they have children. That is unfair — to Americans.
More Americans see that allowing unfettered, chaotic migration to America is not an act of kindness, but an irresponsible act that Americans suffer for on a daily basis. For every illegal alien who merely seeks better financial prospects — not grounds for asylum under U.S. law, it is worth noting — there are too many others who bring with them MS-13 gang membership, drug trafficking, violent crimes and murder. They see their local schools, hospitals and social services overwhelmed. Even when nonviolent aliens enter the country illegally, they often commit identity fraud with stolen social security numbers, which forces American citizens to repair the damage to their lives. Who in the media pleads the case for these innocents? Simply put, illegally entering our country is not a victimless crime.
Much to his credit, President Trump has vowed that zero-tolerance will continue alongside his executive order requiring migrant families to be kept together in government custody. Beyond a small group of stalwart Republicans in Congress, it seems the only person in Washington even considering the interests of the American people is President Trump and his pillars of immigration reform including a real border wall and ending chain migration and the visa lottery program. Citizens of other countries seemingly have more representation in Congress when it comes to immigration than do the citizens of this country. That is an absolute disgrace.
It is clear that the outrage being hurled at President Trump has almost nothing to do with concern for the children. It is merely the latest tactic by those who desire an open southern border, to the point that the United States can no longer be considered a nation of laws and borders. Now that migrant families will be reunited on the border, the next alleged crime against humanity will be that those families are being detained at all. Those who vilify Trump’s zero-tolerance enforcement are essentially giving a government subsidy to the child smuggling black market, which sees lucrative profits as more would-be asylum seekers are drawn to what they correctly see as an easy pass into America. Open borders do not help children, they put them in peril.
If those who claim a monopoly on caring for the children at the border really want to help them, the best thing they could do is to stop conning the American people while demonizing those who only want a safe, sovereign America. Stop the games and start working on real solutions.
http://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/ ... -advocates
BartSimpson @ Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:23 pm
herbie herbie:
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You know that your concentration camp pajama meme is cute and all but saying that concentration camp pajamas are 'Kosher' (which is what the 'U' symbol means) is considered offensive in some circles and may even constitute criminal hate speech in Canada.
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The Criminal Code. Sections 318, 319, and 320 of the Criminal Code forbid hate propaganda. "Hate propaganda" means "any writing, sign or visible representation that advocates or promotes genocide or the communication of which by any person would constitute an offence under section 319."
Just an FYI.
peck420 @ Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:55 pm
Interestingly enough Bart, your incorrect usage of that law is more illegal then the image ever would be.
Canadian law! Fun for the whole family!
Edit to add:
In advance...I wish I was joking...I am not.
BartSimpson @ Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:02 pm
peck420 peck420:
Interestingly enough Bart, your incorrect usage of that law is more illegal then the image ever would be.
Canadian law! Fun for the whole family!
Edit to add:
In advance...I wish I was joking...I am not.
Canadian law! Fun for the whole family!
Edit to add:
In advance...I wish I was joking...I am not.
I am not a lawyer in any jurisdiction thus the "may" in my comment.
Edit: But I will pass this along to the Jewish Defense League of Canada to see what they think of it.
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