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AdamNF @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:09 pm
Johnny could you use the edit button instead of cost after yourslef over and over and over.
Oh, and i like playing games. You go first.
Robair @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:19 pm
Rev_Blair Rev_Blair:
What you guys are really talking about is the state, representing you, to be allowed to commit cold-blooded, pre-meditated murder. Think about that. It makes you a murderer...no better than the scum you are killing.
That's one example of you being just a little left of myself, Rev. Moraly, there are some crimes for which I would have no trouble pulling the switch myself. But I am an engineer, a bit of a scientist, I've studied statistics and probabilities, I don't care how good the technology gets, we are nowhere near 100% certanty. THAT'S why I have a problem with the death penalty. Not to mention you can't take the human factor out of the technology, somebody still has to enter the data, someone who is incompetent or has an agenda perhaps? You never know, not for sure.
karra @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:20 pm
And you need to stop telling posters what to do.
I oppose the death penalty, but not for the same reason(s).
I could care less about the state being labelled a murderer. My concern is entirely for the truly innocent person who has been found guilty.
It happens.
It doesn't make you the same or less than most of the scum that gets done away with, it means the state makes mistakes.
Robair @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:22 pm
Holy Crap! 
karra and I just posted the same thing, at the SAME TIME 8O
AdamNF @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:46 pm
Man this is freaking me out!
RoyalHighlander @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:51 pm
If Im recall a discussion about that, it was decided that it was better to on occasion let a guilty party go free that to take the chance of finding an innocent person guilty. Milgarrd was a perfect example of that.. Had we had the death penalty and erxecuted him, then 20 years later we find he was innocent.. 3what then he dead and its too late...
AdamNF @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:06 pm
I agree with RH on this one. Personaly i think it's better to let 10 maybe 100 guilty people go free to spare the life of 1 inoccent person.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:23 pm
AdamNF AdamNF:
Johnny could you use the edit button instead of cost after yourslef over and over and over.
Oh, and i like playing games. You go first.
Oh, and i like playing games. You go first.
Hmm, I think you need to use the edit button considering you always have terrible grammar and spelling, but I'm not perfect either, so I don't tell you to use the edit button.
Also, for all of you talking about innocent people who have died, to my knowledge, there hasn't been anyone who has been innocent and convicted to death in the US in the last 100yrs, I might be wrong, but I read somewhere that there hasn't been one since 1900.
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:39 pm
AdamNF AdamNF:
Johnny could you use the edit button instead of cost after yourslef over and over and over.
Oh, and i like playing games. You go first.
Oh, and i like playing games. You go first.
I know im going to get shit from the elders, but I figure why not tell you how old I am, cause im not a women....20.
AdamNF @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:43 pm
Read This
[Edit]Might As Well Read The Everything
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:45 pm
AdamNF AdamNF:
That page didn't tell of anyone who has been killed that had been falsely accused, and actually show'd people who were set free for being falsely accused. I think that this is more of a case of curruption in the court.
Which would you rather do, life in prison, or death? To me they are kind of the same thing. I will completely change my mind when someone comes forward with proof of executions in the past 50yrs of innocent people.
Robair @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:48 pm
Johnnybgoodaaaaa Johnnybgoodaaaaa:
Also, for all of you talking about innocent people who have died, to my knowledge, there hasn't been anyone who has been innocent and convicted to death in the US in the last 100yrs, I might be wrong, but I read somewhere that there hasn't been one since 1900.
Just some of the many, many cases that have been proven. And just what, Johnnybdumbass, makes you think that just because somebody was never proven innocent after the fact, they weren't innocent? The following was written by a member of the supreme court.
$1:
Guilty Until Proven Innocent
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The U. S. executes people regardless of their innocence.
Twenty three (23) innocent people have been mistakenly executed this century.
Each year, approximately 4.5 people are convicted of capital crimes who are actually innocent.
Over 100 people have been released since 1972 as a result of being wrongly convicted..
Cases of mistaken guilt aren't as rare as one may think.
Virginia executed Joseph O'Dell on July 23, 1997 despite the existence of DNA evidence that could have proved O'Dell's innocence. The courts refused to consider this new evidence because Virginia law says that any evidence found after 21 days is
inadmissible in proving the innocence of a convicted person.
Texas refused to give Robert Nelson Drew a new hearing even after another man signed an affidavit in which he confessed to the murder and exonerated Drew. Texas executed Drew on August 2, 1994.
Florida executed Willie Darden for a crime he couldn't have committed. The conviction was based on a gun that could in no way be traced to Willie. Key witnesses were not allowed to testify in the case. The person who identified Willie in a line up admitted that all blacks looked alike to her. Willie was the only black person in the line-up. Supreme Court Justice Blackmun noted, "If ever a man received an unfair trial, Darden did."
"Perhaps the bleakest fact of all is that the death penalty is imposed not only in a freakish and discriminatory manner, but also in some cases upon defendants who are actually innocent."
-Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan Jr. 1994
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The U. S. executes people regardless of their innocence.
Twenty three (23) innocent people have been mistakenly executed this century.
Each year, approximately 4.5 people are convicted of capital crimes who are actually innocent.
Over 100 people have been released since 1972 as a result of being wrongly convicted..
Cases of mistaken guilt aren't as rare as one may think.
Virginia executed Joseph O'Dell on July 23, 1997 despite the existence of DNA evidence that could have proved O'Dell's innocence. The courts refused to consider this new evidence because Virginia law says that any evidence found after 21 days is
inadmissible in proving the innocence of a convicted person.
Texas refused to give Robert Nelson Drew a new hearing even after another man signed an affidavit in which he confessed to the murder and exonerated Drew. Texas executed Drew on August 2, 1994.
Florida executed Willie Darden for a crime he couldn't have committed. The conviction was based on a gun that could in no way be traced to Willie. Key witnesses were not allowed to testify in the case. The person who identified Willie in a line up admitted that all blacks looked alike to her. Willie was the only black person in the line-up. Supreme Court Justice Blackmun noted, "If ever a man received an unfair trial, Darden did."
"Perhaps the bleakest fact of all is that the death penalty is imposed not only in a freakish and discriminatory manner, but also in some cases upon defendants who are actually innocent."
-Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan Jr. 1994
AdamNF @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:52 pm
Johnny if that many innocent people are freed, imagine how many innocent people are rotting on death row and wont get set free. The US justice system is laughable at best.
Robair @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:52 pm
Johnnybgoodaaaaa Johnnybgoodaaaaa:
I will completely change my mind when someone comes forward with proof of executions in the past 50yrs of innocent people.
I posted proof, read it. Then GO AWAY
Johnnybgoodaaaaa @ Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:59 pm
Robair Robair:
Johnnybgoodaaaaa Johnnybgoodaaaaa:
Also, for all of you talking about innocent people who have died, to my knowledge, there hasn't been anyone who has been innocent and convicted to death in the US in the last 100yrs, I might be wrong, but I read somewhere that there hasn't been one since 1900.
Just some of the many, many cases that have been proven. And just what, Johnnybdumbass, makes you think that just because somebody was never proven innocent after the fact, they weren't innocent? The following was written by a member of the supreme court.
$1:
Guilty Until Proven Innocent
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The U. S. executes people regardless of their innocence.
Twenty three (23) innocent people have been mistakenly executed this century.
Each year, approximately 4.5 people are convicted of capital crimes who are actually innocent.
Over 100 people have been released since 1972 as a result of being wrongly convicted..
Cases of mistaken guilt aren't as rare as one may think.
Virginia executed Joseph O'Dell on July 23, 1997 despite the existence of DNA evidence that could have proved O'Dell's innocence. The courts refused to consider this new evidence because Virginia law says that any evidence found after 21 days is
inadmissible in proving the innocence of a convicted person.
Texas refused to give Robert Nelson Drew a new hearing even after another man signed an affidavit in which he confessed to the murder and exonerated Drew. Texas executed Drew on August 2, 1994.
Florida executed Willie Darden for a crime he couldn't have committed. The conviction was based on a gun that could in no way be traced to Willie. Key witnesses were not allowed to testify in the case. The person who identified Willie in a line up admitted that all blacks looked alike to her. Willie was the only black person in the line-up. Supreme Court Justice Blackmun noted, "If ever a man received an unfair trial, Darden did."
"Perhaps the bleakest fact of all is that the death penalty is imposed not only in a freakish and discriminatory manner, but also in some cases upon defendants who are actually innocent."
-Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan Jr. 1994
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The U. S. executes people regardless of their innocence.
Twenty three (23) innocent people have been mistakenly executed this century.
Each year, approximately 4.5 people are convicted of capital crimes who are actually innocent.
Over 100 people have been released since 1972 as a result of being wrongly convicted..
Cases of mistaken guilt aren't as rare as one may think.
Virginia executed Joseph O'Dell on July 23, 1997 despite the existence of DNA evidence that could have proved O'Dell's innocence. The courts refused to consider this new evidence because Virginia law says that any evidence found after 21 days is
inadmissible in proving the innocence of a convicted person.
Texas refused to give Robert Nelson Drew a new hearing even after another man signed an affidavit in which he confessed to the murder and exonerated Drew. Texas executed Drew on August 2, 1994.
Florida executed Willie Darden for a crime he couldn't have committed. The conviction was based on a gun that could in no way be traced to Willie. Key witnesses were not allowed to testify in the case. The person who identified Willie in a line up admitted that all blacks looked alike to her. Willie was the only black person in the line-up. Supreme Court Justice Blackmun noted, "If ever a man received an unfair trial, Darden did."
"Perhaps the bleakest fact of all is that the death penalty is imposed not only in a freakish and discriminatory manner, but also in some cases upon defendants who are actually innocent."
-Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan Jr. 1994
I have found no information on these 23 people who were killed, although I have found information on a few people who were executed, but it was never completely proven that they were guilty, although it wasn't proven that they were innocent, so it can go both ways.
I am starting to change my mind a bit about the death penalty, but I just can never agree that Osama bin laden should be kept alive. How can you people believe Osama should not get the death penalty?
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article ... 45&did=292
This site mentioned 21 innocent people who have been on death row, but made no mention of all those executions of innocent people you talked of, at least I didn't see any.
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