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I believe in Social Democracy, I'd classify myself somewhere a little to the left of the NDP.

   

"a little to the left of the NDP"

that can't be

The NDP is about as far left as you can go without going in circles

   

Think again idiot.

   

Nice to know the Mods here let an uneducated person like you keep posting hate just because you're Liberal

http://www.ndpsocialists.ca/

wrong again bud

   

You're condemning a whole party because of a small minority of party members? That's like accusing the Conservatives of being theocrats becuase of the minor religious element in their party.

By the way, it's only an unjustified personal attack if it's not true. All of your posts have shown that you are singularily devoid of any common sense, reason, compassion, and education.

   

Socialism is a shield against the reality of nature. Unfortunately, nature is much more powerful than human ideas...so the key is to be able to work with nature and still make life more comfortable for society.

Socialism protects people from the reality of the survival of the fittest. A free-market society takes advantage of that and turns it into something beneficial to society. The problem with socialism is it seeks to protect the rights of the minority while also slowing down the mobility of the majority so that everyone can be happy. Unfortunately this doesn't help society as a whole. The reason why the U.S is so successful in exporting their culture and their bussiness is because of the free-market attitude which believes in the survival of the fittest. Also, this is great for innovation. And we are all aware of what the U.S has given to the world in terms of technology and comfort. Im sure we all agree on that even if its tough to admit for some of our anti-American voices in here.

I agree with one person on here saying that some form of socialism exists in each society. Only problem is that where does socialism stop? When will truly everyone be equally happy in life? I mean, with the laws to protect people and the social programs in place, the ongoing tax increases, the increased public fines and regulations and etc., where does it all stop? Look at France for example, they got rid of the 35 hr work week which was introduced by the socialist gov't because unemployment was rising and France was becoming less competitive in the world. Of course it was very unpopular to get rid of it and if the left had their way with the work rule then France would still keep pummeling downwards in living standards. This is a great example of why you don't let socialists have their way with the market. Same went for B.C and the east coast provinces who by the way have the least economic freedom in North America and yet also have some of the highest unemployment.

I can state Socialism simply as a system in place to reward the weak and punish the strong. Yet, really it should be the strong who lead without obstacles so that we can become a stronger nation, not a weaker one. And Im talking in very theoretical and general terms, but that is my belief. And by the way, Im not saying we should let people become sick and die, I believe that strong families and only emergency gov't saftey nets should play this role. And I mean emergency...other than that, if you screw up in life then you have to pay the consequences, its the only way so that others can learn from you and not make the same mistake. That's why strong families are important in society and I believe socialism is very anti-family!! Big time. The left puts way too much emphasis into protecting gay rights and minorities that they are forgetting how much a important role traditional families play in society. This is why conservatives are against gay marriage, not because they hate gays but because they consider marriage to be a very serious matter...which is more than just a bond between two people but a life commitment to raising your offsprings so that they can pass on their knowledge and way of life. And socialism is destroying that way of life...thats why there is a growing conservative movement in the U.S because people are realizing how destructive Hollywood and the far left have become to their traditional life!! Its a living breathing culture that is being threatened. In Canada there is not much hope but in the U.S conservatism is on the rise and the hope still exists. Unfortunately the left does not recognize the conservative culture because they still consist of a majority...and remember, the left is all about protecting the underdog. Although when will it stop??? Untill conservatism is wiped out or untill all cultures are on equal footing???

It's always the samething with socialism...the need to make everything equal! It's impossible! There will always be somebody stronger and somebody weaker. For example, you cant have tall without short, hot without cold, rough without soft, angry without sad. Eeverything in the universe is relative to each other...it states that in Physics and in the philosphy of Taosim! This is the nature...and you cant control it!

Okay here I go rambling again and now Im bring my philosophy into it...sorry about that! For whatever its worth I hope somebody reads everythign I said.

   

The gap between rich and poor depends upon the productivity of a society (Paretto's Principle). The more productive a society, the smaller the gap between rich and poor; the less productive a society, the larger the gap between rich and poor.

Maybe my perception is off, but the gap between rich and poor in Canada seems to be getting bigger, proving that Paretto's Principle is correct. Of course, we can always find some other nation, worse off than us, against which to compare ourselves and think that we are fine. However, I don't think Canada should always compare itself to the worst; we should be considering what is best, and set our sites to that goal: what COULD we do, what SHOULD we do, whan CAN we do--and then do it. Comparing ourselves to backward countries is just an excuse to do nothing--it's a shame that Canadians are content to set their goals extremely low.

Go free market!!

   

Alien, you make some good points and I can't disgree with everything you've said.
Where I do disagree is in your characterization of socialist economies work. It has always been my understanding that socialism is about the redistribution of wealth in order to offest the injustices of capitalism. Therefore, my view of socialism is about helping the weak become stong.

Just to head off any future comments because I know they are coming, I do believe in the capitalist system, I just believe that capitalism should have limits because of its inhumane tendencies.

You're right though, alien, people will never be equal, despite the best hallucinations of communists everywhere. What is possible, is to ensure people aren't left behind by capitalism because of some unfortunate mishap or circumstance.

That being said, there are many countries around the world that are socialist in nature. Most of South America is run by left-wing governments, and they're doing fine, to an extent. The same with many European countries (like Spain, Norway, Sweeden, for example).

   

Awesome Duncan, you bring a breath of fresh air! Bravo.

   

lets try to keep things to a debate, not arguing and name calling

   

More socialist then most canadien, but for québecer it's easy to tink that way, where the most socialist in america (except Cuba)

A well known comedien (Yvon Deschamps) tell that about that question vs Québecer :''for the real Québecer, is heart is communist, is head is socialist and is pocket is capitalist''

   

WHO ?

   

Im a Capricorn ... and you can read into that anything you want...........

   

I find it hard to believe anyone can unequivocally say their system is the be all end all. I would categorize myself as "socialist" but I would not suggest everything would be a bed of roses if the left had free reign.
I lived in Florida for a year, just outside of Starke. I was shocked at the level and amount of poverty I saw. I met some very friendly people who would take me fishing in the bayous. Was friends with some "coonasses", whole 'nother story! They would mention things like they had never been to Disneyland as it was simply out of their enonomic ability. The shacks people lived in absolutley astounded me. So there are drawbacks to capitalism also.
Another thing if the system is so good why is it necessary to take so many nurses, researchers, scientists, teacher etc from other countries? I believe most of those countries are much more socialist than the US is so is their system better at producing educated people?.

   

I'm a socialist, not a hardcore one, but i do believe that socialism properly mixed with business and democracy would be a very good thing. Like a cold beer on a hot summer day .

   

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