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Johnny-Canuck @ Wed May 07, 2003 7:31 am

The only Americans I hate are the ones that make fun of me first. So I only hate about 2 Americans so far (Meaning I must hate more Canadians) 8O .

   



RoyalHighlander @ Wed May 07, 2003 8:29 am

neom neom:
Went right over my head. :?

No physics involved I gusess LMAO

   



Rev_Blair @ Thu May 08, 2003 7:43 pm

I know we're all really smart and all, regardless of age, but does anybody else miss paragraphs? :?:

   



Koopsta @ Fri May 09, 2003 10:21 am

Isn't the quote under Neom's reply something about not judging what you do not know i'm pretty sure you don't know every american sure many of the m are ignorant and some kinda hickish but we can same about some of us canadians were nto entierly worldly some of us don't even know about Sir J.A.M. I think this site is a great way to fix tht problem lets stop the anti-american sentiments.

Give peace a chance kick PAX AMERICANA's ass

   



ABSOLUT_SS @ Fri May 09, 2003 4:04 pm

Old post, I know, but I gotta say it again: When the U.S. doesn't do something, its isolationist. When the U.S. acts, its colonial. Hard to win, guess the liberal way is right. Set up a committee, lots of INTERNAL debate, wait two years, and voila: Canadians forget! Guess thats the safe way to govern, but it won't last forever, no sireeee.
An excellent article appeared in the Ottawa Citizen today, may 9, 2003: "CANADA'S GRAND ILLUSION", by Andrew Cohen. Kinda says what I see in a lot of Canadians. We are living on our laurels, and our moral superiority's bank account is overdrawn, way overdrawn. "ottawacitizen.com" SHOULD get you there, but its on the southam website, if ya care to read.
Ignorant AMERICANS? Charity begins @ home. I'm tired of riding on America's back, & kicking them in the teeth whenever we get the chance.

   



Koopsta @ Mon Jun 16, 2003 7:38 pm

anyone realise that a missle defense system would be obsolete. Missle have became far too passe. Now if someone wants to nuke a place they'd just use a breifcase bomb. STAR WARS THAT?!?!!!

   



matrix @ Tue Jun 17, 2003 6:59 pm

NEOM I thikn has some very good arguments, Im not a physics student, but I definetly am a political science major and his arguments go a lot further than the American he was arguing with.

However, with nearly 300 Million people, I am sure many are physics scientists, do u think they will back up your statements in regards to star wars?

I personally think Star Wars is a desperate attempt by President Monkey Boy (Bush) to0use it as a propaganda tool, telling people they are making it, and in the end, its all a hidden thing? Kinda like how some people believed that the United States was not the first to walk on space, however, they filmed it as a propaganda tool for spur patriotism used even today "One small step for humanity, one large step for mankind" still being used today.

In terms of the friendly fire incident, I will admit first hand that I have a bias. Why? I sympathize for the soldiers cause I served in the CAnadian Armed Forces for five years as well after attending the Royal Military college of Canada (RMC) and left the force as a LT and Aerospace Controller (Air Weapons Controller to be exact) and I have also served a 6 month tour aboard the NATO AWAC. From rumours I hear on those that served on the AWAC at the time of the incident, the pilot was in a panick situation, he thought he was threatened, its only natural to fire back. However, it is indeed the AMerican pilot that should take full responsibility for the action.

But, a lot of times, the US government would prefer to make up a story and put the blame on the pilot. If the US AWAC crew screwed up, it makes the whole AMerican military system look bad, but if hte pilot screwed up, it is the individual at fault, and not the US Air Nat'l guard

However, I bet if the AMerican was able to back up his point, and not use the friendly fire incident as part of his argument, then it would have looked more like a political argument. However, since he did make some stupid references that was not even true, I think hes nothing but an Ignorant bastard that just couldnt get it through his head that his government is dumb. (however, many Americans are smart, its just there government, whether republican or democrats are both nothing but bullies flexing there power, any idiot with that much fire power can run that country and take over the world)

   



ABSOLUT_SS @ Fri Jun 20, 2003 4:47 pm

Matrix has a lot to say here, good. Never mind physics or poly-sci for a minute. They give ya any grammer in that "B.A." ya bought? I live three miles away from the parents of SGT. M. Leger, and my heart sunk the day I heard of the death of our soldiers. I know feelings run high in a situation like this, but hanging two pilots for this would be wrong. Dammit, there is no right answer here. LEARN from it! Thats all we can hope for. God bless our Service men/women.

   



matrix @ Fri Jun 20, 2003 11:30 pm

I think the US Air National Guard put hte blame on the two pilots because THEY screwed up, not the pilots. They made up some sort of script to tell us that it is the pilots fault.

Isnt it better to blame two pilots than embarrass the whole US Air Force?

The pilots were used for dirty politics, and it is unfortunate that such a recognized pilot had to be the sacrificial lamb to take the blunt of the blame for what possibily is the fact that the whole US Air Force had a messed up protocol.

   



IRONMIKE @ Sat Jun 21, 2003 12:54 pm

You have managed to take an incident that happened in Afganistan involving ground troups and 2 company grade officers and turn it into Bush's fault. Brokenrecord. As far as your view of the US military...who cares..we know how good we are we. You can argue this point ad nausium but you and I know it is true. I really don't feel embarrased by the actions of a captain that I have never met in my 16 years in the US Air Force.
Cheers
Kurt

   



nonrev @ Sat Jun 21, 2003 1:28 pm

matrix matrix:
I personally think Star Wars is a desperate attempt by President Monkey Boy (Bush) to0use it as a propaganda tool, telling people they are making it, and in the end, its all a hidden thing? Kinda like how some people believed that the United States was not the first to walk on space, however, they filmed it as a propaganda tool for spur patriotism used even today "One small step for humanity, one large step for mankind" still being used today.



matrix, I am trying my damndest to follow you, but I need some help.

-"some people believed the United States was not the first to walk in space"??? Well, everybody believes they werent first - because they werent! Soviet Alexy Leonov was the first, in March of '65...
-"they filmed it as a propaganda tool"... filmed what? Are you getting mixed up with those few folks that have smoked one-too-many doobies, and think the Lunar Landings were faked in a studio in Area 51? Pffft!
-and BTW... its "One small step for man; one giant leap for mankind." - Neil Armstrong as he stepped off the lander, onto the moon. I suppose if it happened today, with all the political-correctness, he would have to say "personhood" or some equally stupid thing.
Oh but wait! That would ignore the valuable contributions of all the beleagured animals and the old-growth trees.... better think of something even better! :roll:

   



nonrev @ Sat Jun 21, 2003 1:38 pm

IRONMIKE IRONMIKE:
You have managed to take an incident that happened in Afganistan involving ground troups and 2 company grade officers and turn it into Bush's fault. Brokenrecord. As far as your view of the US military...who cares..we know how good we are we. You can argue this point ad nausium but you and I know it is true. I really don't feel embarrased by the actions of a captain that I have never met in my 16 years in the US Air Force.
Cheers
Kurt


Mike, Lord knows I am not GW's biggest fan, but you're right - I fail to see any connection between that terrible tragedy and GW himself.
I would however like to hear WHY the decision was made not to continue with some kind of proceedings that would have brought all the facts to light. AND WHO, ultimately, made that decision?
HELL, for all we know, maybe the Canadian military had a part in whatever got screwed up; did they let the right people know there was going to be an exercise, and that it would involve LIVE-FIRE, for instance? Who knows what happened - unfortunately, we never will find out for sure now....

   



IRONMIKE @ Sat Jun 21, 2003 2:00 pm

My opinion only
Officers are not punished to the same level as enlisted folks. It would tarnish the corps? "The lower the rank the bigger the spank"

I think this guy was being a hotrod and lost it...and some good men died. :evil: I feel that the punishment was not fitting the crime..but, none the less it was no suprise to this career Airman. This is an example of one of the bad things about the military. The Academy scandal is another one.

Kurt

   



matrix @ Sat Jun 21, 2003 3:26 pm

Um... wondering, what is hte academy scandal? I served in the CAnadian armed forces Air element as an officer (Aerospace Control - Air Weapons Controller)... what did you do in the US air force?

And it is true that officers dont get punished as harshly but imagine the damage it will do to morale if an officer is punished harshly by there own government? An Officer is suppose to hold a leadership position.

When your in the air, it is really really tough to always make the correct desision. I am not a Jet figher pilot or anything, but I sure do have my Private Pilots Liesence (With Night rating), and even the putter that I fly cannot be flown flawlessly.

So imagine flying 20 times faster, with G forces pushing at you and at night with what you believe is someone shooting at you. Obviously you will need some help, that includes some quick action from the AWACs, and if they do not give info quick enough, then the pilots better damn well make there own decision and not get killed. Thats what the Top Gun pilot did, and it turned into a mistake. Now his career is ruined.

I believe the AWAC team or someone else should also take some of the responsibilty. How about the Canadian team that took part in the exercise, perhaps lack of communication may have been one of many mistakes made when four soldiers died.

So I guess nonrev is right when he says "we will never know"

   



RoyalHighlander @ Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:54 pm

ABSOLUT_SS ABSOLUT_SS:
I live three miles away from the parents of SGT. M. Leger, and my heart sunk the day I heard of the death of our soldiers.

And where might that be?? 3 miles away???? From his parents??
Just curious :roll:

   



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