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Hi, I am here to ask a wierd question...who would win if Canada and the United States were to get into a war? WHo would be blown to pieces, who'd come out victorious?

   

In general I think we'd get our asses kicked in a frontal full force attack. All our major cities would be occupied first but never completely. We would probably win a war of attrition due to the vast area northern Canada is. A great portion of the population would probably go north to hide and/or set up a second front. Canadian forces has hundred fold more cold weather and high altitude military combat trained soldiers than the Americans. Assuming that nuclear weapons aren't a factor because they would want to steal our resources I'd say in a very desparate move if we were really in trouble would trash all of our natural resources ie: major fresh water sources, oil piplines, nuclear powered facilities, as well as sections of major roadways thru mountain passes and probably land mine the prairies. I think bottomline is that they can try but wouldn't accomplish much*
I think we should dig a kilometer wide moat that stretches across the 49th and fill it.


* See Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Iraq II, Beirut, Bosnia, Iran Contra, blah blah blah and so on.

We spork opened a rusty can of whuppass in 1812 and burned the Whitehouse to the ground in 1812.

All that crap I just said above is all opinion and speculation and even if it were to happen might turn out totally differently.

   

I think it all depends on who attacks who first and what kind of war. If the Americans were trying to win people over like in Iraq and had to bite their tounge to win over the hearts and minds, they would probably lose. If it was an all out, kill whoever is Canadian weither they are civilian or not and bomb the shit out of cities, I think that Canada would not stand a chance. Sure Canada has training in the north, but so do Americans and i've seen many American tv shows which show technology they have developed for fighting in the cold. You also forget that the US shares a border with Canada which get's almost as cold as alot of Canadian cities(look at New York the past few years)so I don't think that having the cold is a super-advantage over the US. Looking back at the war of 1812, to my knowledge the Americans were winning against Canada til the British sent fleets and reinforcements, and the US was not a superpower with a very large army back then. I think all you have to do also is look at the number and the military buildup the US has had in the past 50 yrs. The US could go into Canada, take over oil fields to supply their army with oil, and use your natural resources. The US has always had to deal with politics getting in the way of wars, but if you look back in history, when a country like Japan attacked the US, they got it royally.

I think that it's hard for a country to maintain a war if the other country didn't attack them. Let me repeat, if Canada attacked the US, you would become the enemy, and you better be ready for the US to use all it has. Look at what happened to Japan, the US nuked a few of their cities(not saying it's right, but it's an example of what happens when the US is attacked by a country).

If you trashed your major resources, you would basically be screwing yourself. How are you going to open another front without any supplies?

Attacking the US would most likely make their army bigger, because alot of Americans are very patriotic(happened during world war 2). If you look at the numbers, the US has around 76 million people it can use for an army, which is double Canada's population.

Without allies, Canada would be toast weither they attack the US, or the US attacks them.

Canadian forces might be trained for mountain regions and cold weather, but a good portion of the US population lives in those types of regions, and give them military training, I think they could do just fine.

Another thing you have to add in is the US satellite technology. The US has tons of spy satellites and could watch as people leave the cities or where armies are setting up. The US also has probably the best command centers and command center technology.

The hardest part of the war would probably be the mountain regions, but they would also be very hard for Canada if they attacked the US. Unlike Afghanistan who already had secret tunnels and mountain complexs, Canada and their mountains haven't been at war for years, so there's no set up places in the mountains. Afghanistan, relative to what you might think, is actually a very hard war zone which even the Soviet Union lost in that country. Afghanistan is kind of like a Vietnam because the people have made entrenchments and know the land and secret areas very well.

   

Yes, because moats work so effectively in 21st century warfare. Lord forbid we must use our planes, or the tanks that are water mobile, or the fact that our military can build a portable bridge very easily.

It's not 1812, get over it!!

   

We could have moat monsters though...I hear they make excellent pets.

I doubt very much if there will be a war between Canada and the US anytime soon. The fact is that if there were, the US would lose though. There are some things that simply aren't acceptable in the international community and taking over wealthy countries by force is one of them. The US would not be at war with Canada, the US would be taking on the world.

   

Whoops, double post...

   

Exactly, but what if for some outrageous reason Canada decided it could take on the US? This is just for hypothetical and for fun in asking what would happen in a war between Canada and the US only.

I mean, alot of Canadians, such as the one who made the post about being able to beat the US, still think that the war of 1812 still holds how a war would be won today. For the sake of fun and just speculation, what do you think would happen to Canada if they go a prime minister and government that was very anti-american and decided that they need to "liberate" the American people?

...I know it would never happen, but for the sake of conversation of speculation, I repeat....

   

Then it would be Canada against the world, although I really doubt the US would need the help, it would still be there.

Keep in mind that Canada has never been the aggressor in a conflict though, it is not the way we do things. I never say never, but even if we had an equal military it is far more remote that Canada would attack the US than vice versa.

   

Yeah, I know that Canada would most likely never be an aggressor, it's just fun to talk about it what would happen in a war. I know there will never be one, but im just speculating on how the war would go and what would probably happen.

   

Johnny you're full of crap. There is no way that NYC ever touches the -40 degree range that alot of cities in Canada get. -10 in NYC is cold? Puleeze, that's t-shirt weather where I'm from. I also seen a program where the US military was training in Quebec and they said they've never experienced cold like that. It was -20 and sunny that day and I almost pissed my pants laughing.

   

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0111/S00166.htm
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/agf/agf23.htm

Do you honestly think that the US would skip over training in cold weather? -10 is not t-shirt weather, weither you are Russian or Canadian. No one would wear a T-shirt in that kind of weather, or at least no one would go around in -10 weather with a T-shirt on, unless they were an idiot. The Marines and special forces usually have to train in mountain and cold weather areas.

http://www.marines.com/about_marines/mo ... arfare.asp

Just because the marines say they have never experienced a cold like that doesn't mean that they couldn't handle it. It's like "I've never experienced a coffee like that" but that doesn't mean I can't handle the coffee.

Alot of the areas which are populated in Canada do not get extremely cold, and if you all want to retreat to the tundra, that's fine with us, cause it's like a desert there.

http://collection.nlc-bnc.ca/100/201/30 ... igtrnd.htm

Of course, that is taken in 1995, but is the temperature trends of Canada....

Let's look at some numbers here. Around Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland, and Manitoba, the normal annual temperature during winter is around 30.56 degrees fahrenheit. Around Saskatchewan, Alberta, and British Colmbia, the average annual winter temperate is around 34.34-37.04 degrees. The lowest Temperatures I could find are around Nova Scotia and Prince Edward island, which have an average temp of around 28.04 degrees fahrenheit. Sure there would be days in which it would be very cold in some parts of Canada, but for the most part it looks like the average temps are not these -40 and -20 degree temps you are talking about. Most Marines and other troops train in weather which is around 20 degrees/-7 degrees celsius.

I repeat my statement that the cold is not that much of a factor for the US....

Another thing you have to know is that the US army has alot of tools for dealing with the cold like packets which can heat up hands, boots that insulate feet, and certain fabrics which can block the wind and rain, while letting heat out.

PS, I am an american living in Canada, and when American matters are discussed, I still refer to them as WE and US. I love Canada, but some things you people say just seem ridiculous to me, like Canada beating the US in a war because it gets cold in Canada. It's not the 1940s anymore, there are new inovations in science which allow us to be prepared for cold temperatures and be able to function in the cold.

   

You said that there was "no way that NYC ever touches the -40 degree range." Hmm, I guess February 18, 1979 would like to differ with your statement. The lowest temperature in New York, -52°, was recorded on February 18, 1979 at Old Forge. -52 degrees is also around -47 degrees celsius, which looks alot lower than alot of those average temps in Canada. I'm sure it's gotten colder in alot of Canadian cities, but im just tell you that there WAS a way that New York touched the temp. It might not have been New York the city, but it was still a place in the US.

http://www.netstate.com/states/geograph ... graphy.htm

   

You're such a kidder.

The western and atlantic provinces would be willing states - and why not?

But imagine the delight if the US of A decided to rack 'n roll and march northbound. Only to discover,

Canada's jet sitting in a hanger on Hans Island surrounded by idle mechanics awaiting a spare part ordered from China but monstrously delayed due to Purlolator, the courier arm of the corrupt Liberal repository - Canada Post.

Canada's fighting men and women studiously studying their maple leaf embossed French Immersion pamphlets whilst stuck on a Via Rail train derailed in Belleville but hopefully on their merry way to Winnipeg within the next few days to assist with the sandbagging.

The small protion of the Defense budget left over that is not assigned to the salaries and benefits Generals and assorted officers who outnumber enlisted personell by a ratio of 5:1, stolen by the Liberal Govt and paid to Liberal advertising companies in Quebec to establish a coast-to-coast chain of roadside poutine shacks - each flying a Canadian flag.

Canada's tank ignobly squatting on the Akwesasne Reserve awaiting delivery of a back up shell in case they have to use the first one.

Q'uelle surprise indeed.

   

I can't believe you all are fighting about what country gets colder!

OK, here it is. Canada is further north therefore closer to the North Pole which is very very cold. So 2+2=4, Canada gets colder. Give it up Johnny and let him have his moment. coldest country isn't anything to really argue over or even brag about. If he wants to laugh or gets off on our soldiers for getting cold in Quebec weather, let him. More than likely the soldiers were from the south and some people are just easily amused.

   

I wasn't trying to argue who's country is colder, cause it is obviously Canada, I just don't agree with them saying that the US would lose because it's cold in Canada. What do they take the US for, a bunch of pussies who can't stand cold weather? I don't know anyone who would enjoy being out in -40 degree weather day and night.

The main thing I was trying to argue about is his obvious cut down towards Americans by saying -20 degrees is teeshirt weather, like Americans are pussies that can't stand a little cold. There's plenty of places in the US which get pretty cold, and we have just as high mountains as Canada, so as far as a war goes, I don't think it would make that much of a difference.

Even though people might be able to handle temps around 0-32 degrees alright, I can't see someone walking around in a t-shirt in -20 degrees because there's certain ways the body works, and just because you are used to the cold doesn't mean that your body would not get frostbite.

Anyways, the main point I was trying to make is that cold weather doesn't make as much of a difference in a war as it used to.

Also, I think he forgets that Alaska is part of the US, which would actually be another disadvantage to the Canadians because we could have a two front war.

At least the American soldiers were humble enough to admit they were cold, cause I could never see any Canadians admiting anything that makes them look human or less than perfect....

   

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