Why won't Universal Healthcare work in the United States?
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PJB @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:08 pm
Manifest..Thanks for the numbers..The one thing I can say about backasswards Saskatchewan is you can get an MRI for your pet easier than you can get one for yourself. Our healthcare system is far from perfect but..it's universally flawed.
ManifestDestiny @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:09 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Tman1 Americans are not conserned about the qaulity of healthcare cause we know its the most cutting egde technology in the world. I heard somewhere and will look it up that the usa has 10,000 catscan machines compared to 50 for canada.
Quality is better than quantity.
Are you sure you are getting qaulity did you even read the articles I posted?
ManifestDestiny @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:11 pm
PJB PJB:
Manifest..Thanks for the numbers..The one thing I can say about backasswards Saskatchewan is you can get an MRI for your pet easier than you can get one for yourself. Our healthcare system is far from perfect but..it's universally flawed.
I wish we could find a system in the middle. But I dont see it happening.
Tman1 @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:11 pm
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Tman1 Tman1:
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Tman1 Americans are not conserned about the qaulity of healthcare cause we know its the most cutting egde technology in the world. I heard somewhere and will look it up that the usa has 10,000 catscan machines compared to 50 for canada.
Quality is better than quantity.
Are you sure you are getting qaulity did you even read the articles I posted?
Pretty sure im getting quality.
ManifestDestiny @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:12 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Tman1 Tman1:
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Tman1 Americans are not conserned about the qaulity of healthcare cause we know its the most cutting egde technology in the world. I heard somewhere and will look it up that the usa has 10,000 catscan machines compared to 50 for canada.
Quality is better than quantity.
Are you sure you are getting qaulity did you even read the articles I posted?
Pretty sure im getting quality.
Well if you are happy who am I to complain.
PJB @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:14 pm
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
PJB PJB:
Manifest..Thanks for the numbers..The one thing I can say about backasswards Saskatchewan is you can get an MRI for your pet easier than you can get one for yourself. Our healthcare system is far from perfect but..it's universally flawed.
I wish we could find a system in the middle. But I dont see it happening.
I totally agree with you. Too bad we didn't have some sort of free trade in medical services.
BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:15 pm
Tman1 Tman1:
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Tman1 Americans are not conserned about the qaulity of healthcare cause we know its the most cutting egde technology in the world. I heard somewhere and will look it up that the usa has 10,000 catscan machines compared to 50 for canada.
Quality is better than quantity.
The German Panzer tanks were far superior to the T34 and the Sherman.
But quantity was better than quality.
I digress.
If you have to wait 12 weeks for a scan that's long enough for you to die of many aggressive cancers.
But if your health care plan is seeking a passive way to cust costs having cancer patients die before they can be diagnosed or treated would certainly be efficient.
BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:18 pm
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
PJB PJB:
Manifest..Thanks for the numbers..The one thing I can say about backasswards Saskatchewan is you can get an MRI for your pet easier than you can get one for yourself. Our healthcare system is far from perfect but..it's universally flawed.
I wish we could find a system in the middle. But I dont see it happening.
The problem with socialised systems is that if they allow people to "opt out" they collapse, as is happening in the UK and Germany right now.
The best that government can do is to stay out of the way and reduce tort costs to reduce malpractice claims.
PJB @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:36 pm
Bart...There is no delay around here for emergency scans. The whole crap about waitlists is for elective procedures. A girl that my wife works with needed hip replacement surgery and as she was deemed emergent she received the surgery within weeks and not months.
Insofar as waiting 12 weeks for a scan for cancer..If the cancer is that aggressive a scan the next day would more than likely end up the same way..Death.
BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 1:58 pm
PJB PJB:
Bart...There is no delay around here for emergency scans. The whole crap about waitlists is for elective procedures. A girl that my wife works with needed hip replacement surgery and as she was deemed emergent she received the surgery within weeks and not months.
Insofar as waiting 12 weeks for a scan for cancer..If the cancer is that aggressive a scan the next day would more than likely end up the same way..Death.
Insofar as waiting 12 weeks for a scan for cancer..If the cancer is that aggressive a scan the next day would more than likely end up the same way..Death.
If it's all the same to you, I'd just as soon let my doctors try to save me.
PJB @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:17 pm
Bart...Do you honestly think that here in Canada doctors would not do whatever it takes to save someone?
BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:32 pm
PJB PJB:
Bart...Do you honestly think that here in Canada doctors would not do whatever it takes to save someone?
From http://www.phen.ab.ca/materials/het/het11-01a.html
$1:
It is generally agreed that patients can be refused treatment for reasons of cost.
My HMO will try to save my life unless I refuse treatment. Cost is not an issue to them nor is it to me when I pay my monthly premiums.
BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:35 pm
PJB PJB:
Bart...Do you honestly think that here in Canada doctors would not do whatever it takes to save someone?
To add to this, I would have an unfair advantage in Canada over you because my HMO will reimburse Health Canada for 100% of their costs incurred in treating me. There is no reason for a Canadian doctor to refuse care to me, quite the contrary, they have a monetary incentive to do as much possible.
PJB @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:39 pm
Bart...Did you actually read that article. Basically it says that treatments that are deemed futile or exotic can be refused. I can't demand an MRI when a x-ray will result in the same diagnosis. This is basically preventing abuse of the system. I am sure that your HMO would deny paying for procedures that it deemed futile. The hospital won't because they will get paid for them one way or the other. Perhaps that is why the adminstration costs are so high in the states. They will do whatever you want them to as long as YOU can pay for the procedures. I have never heard of anyone being refused life saving procedures because of cost.
BartSimpson @ Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:42 pm
PJB PJB:
Bart...Did you actually read that article. Basically it says that treatments that are deemed futile or exotic can be refused. I can't demand an MRI when a x-ray will result in the same diagnosis. This is basically preventing abuse of the system. I am sure that your HMO would deny paying for procedures that it deemed futile. The hospital won't because they will get paid for them one way or the other. Perhaps that is why the adminstration costs are so high in the states. They will do whatever you want them to as long as YOU can pay for the procedures. I have never heard of anyone being refused life saving procedures because of cost.
My HMO lets my doctor decide what is or is not futile. If the doctor says its time to call it a day I'm cool with that.
But when accountants dictate care, that's another.
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