Petition to reinstate the RCAF and RCN
sandorski @ Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:09 am
WBenson WBenson:
sandorski sandorski:
I don't see the point. Canada's ties with Britain are quite weak at this time and will only continue to weaken. It won't be long(I predict 3 or 4 generations) until Canadians demand a complete severing of those ties.
"Royal" is not a tie to Britain, it is a tie to the Canadian Sovereign, the head of the fully independent Canadian state. The last tie to Britain was officially severed in 1982, and was virtually nonexistent for decades before that.
Unfortunately, I don't think this will be successful. If it isn't, I think it would be a good idea to at least press for "Royal Canadian Forces."
The Queen is British, she/he is our tie to Britain.
sasquatch2 @ Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:07 am
Our current Queen is Queen of Canada.....not a foreign monarch.
Behave your self.
HOCKEY PUCK
WBenson @ Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:35 pm
sandorski sandorski:
WBenson WBenson:
sandorski sandorski:
I don't see the point. Canada's ties with Britain are quite weak at this time and will only continue to weaken. It won't be long(I predict 3 or 4 generations) until Canadians demand a complete severing of those ties.
"Royal" is not a tie to Britain, it is a tie to the Canadian Sovereign, the head of the fully independent Canadian state. The last tie to Britain was officially severed in 1982, and was virtually nonexistent for decades before that.
Unfortunately, I don't think this will be successful. If it isn't, I think it would be a good idea to at least press for "Royal Canadian Forces."
The Queen is British, she/he is our tie to Britain.
The Queen is ethnically British and legally Canadian. That's rather like saying that the Governor General is a tie to Haiti.
sandorski @ Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:46 pm
WBenson WBenson:
sandorski sandorski:
WBenson WBenson:
sandorski sandorski:
I don't see the point. Canada's ties with Britain are quite weak at this time and will only continue to weaken. It won't be long(I predict 3 or 4 generations) until Canadians demand a complete severing of those ties.
"Royal" is not a tie to Britain, it is a tie to the Canadian Sovereign, the head of the fully independent Canadian state. The last tie to Britain was officially severed in 1982, and was virtually nonexistent for decades before that.
Unfortunately, I don't think this will be successful. If it isn't, I think it would be a good idea to at least press for "Royal Canadian Forces."
The Queen is British, she/he is our tie to Britain.
The Queen is ethnically British and legally Canadian. That's rather like saying that the Governor General is a tie to Haiti.
It doesn't matter what mental gyrations are used, she's British. She's only "Canadian" due to Legal wording, not due to anything based in Reality.
The British Crown is a fine Tradition and all, it certainly is a part of Canada's Tradition as well. However, Canada is moving away from that Tradition and will continue to. Putting the "Royal" back into Navy or Air Force is just a step back to a place we have already vacated and will never return to again.
They are the Canadian Forces. Canada gives the Armed Forces its' Orders, Funding, and Personnel. The Monarch has nothing to do with it.
Now I'm not really a Republican or Anti-Monarchist, but the trend is clear and the eventuality is the end of the Monarchy in Canada.
WBenson @ Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:24 pm
sandorski sandorski:
WBenson WBenson:
sandorski sandorski:
WBenson WBenson:
sandorski sandorski:
I don't see the point. Canada's ties with Britain are quite weak at this time and will only continue to weaken. It won't be long(I predict 3 or 4 generations) until Canadians demand a complete severing of those ties.
"Royal" is not a tie to Britain, it is a tie to the Canadian Sovereign, the head of the fully independent Canadian state. The last tie to Britain was officially severed in 1982, and was virtually nonexistent for decades before that.
Unfortunately, I don't think this will be successful. If it isn't, I think it would be a good idea to at least press for "Royal Canadian Forces."
The Queen is British, she/he is our tie to Britain.
The Queen is ethnically British and legally Canadian. That's rather like saying that the Governor General is a tie to Haiti.
It doesn't matter what mental gyrations are used, she's British. She's only "Canadian" due to Legal wording, not due to anything based in Reality.
The British Crown is a fine Tradition and all, it certainly is a part of Canada's Tradition as well. However, Canada is moving away from that Tradition and will continue to. Putting the "Royal" back into Navy or Air Force is just a step back to a place we have already vacated and will never return to again.
They are the Canadian Forces. Canada gives the Armed Forces its' Orders, Funding, and Personnel. The Monarch has nothing to do with it.
Now I'm not really a Republican or Anti-Monarchist, but the trend is clear and the eventuality is the end of the Monarchy in Canada.
In reality I believe that the Queen is much more a Canadian than many who are born here. This doesn't mean that she isn't also British though.
What about "Royal Canadian Forces"? It can't be a step back, since it has never existed, and it keeps the sense of unity in the forces that many cite.
Convince PEI, Alberta, and Quebec to agree that the end is near for the monarchy and I'll believe you. When you've done that get BC, Saskatchewan, and really every other province as well, and the federal government.
Arctic_Menace @ Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:32 pm
$1:
In reality I believe that the Queen is much more a Canadian than many who are born here.
How so?
WBenson @ Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:32 pm
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
$1:
In reality I believe that the Queen is much more a Canadian than many who are born here.
How so?
I think that she is far more aware of much of what happens in Canada, has been to more of it, and cares for its future more than some people born here. One of the few matters on which her personal views have been allowed to shine out (through a prank call nonetheless) was Canadian unity. When there was concern that in the most recent referendum on sovereignty, a majority may vote for independence, she even went so far as to say "Well, it sounds as though the referendum may go the wrong way" to the person she thought was Jean Chretien. On her most recent visit in 2005, she said, "this country and Canadians everywhere have been a constant presence in my life and work." One thing the Queen is not is a good actor. If she says something or shows a feeling she has, that is what it is.
Does this mean the Queen is exclusively Canadian? No, but neither is she exclusively British. Does it completely make sense to have a monarchy? Perhaps not, but should everything be completely sensible? If it should be, then why have we left many historical buildings in tact? Surely a more effective Parliament building could be built, or a more easily navigable Quebec City, but would we not lose part of the country's soul in the process?
I would definitely like to see more visits from the Queen and her family, but official visits are, unfortunately, a matter for the government of the day.
sandorski @ Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:07 pm
WBenson WBenson:
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
$1:
In reality I believe that the Queen is much more a Canadian than many who are born here.
How so?
I think that she is far more aware of much of what happens in Canada, has been to more of it, and cares for its future more than some people born here. One of the few matters on which her personal views have been allowed to shine out (through a prank call nonetheless) was Canadian unity. When there was concern that in the most recent referendum on sovereignty, a majority may vote for independence, she even went so far as to say "Well, it sounds as though the referendum may go the wrong way" to the person she thought was Jean Chretien. On her most recent visit in 2005, she said, "this country and Canadians everywhere have been a constant presence in my life and work." One thing the Queen is not is a good actor. If she says something or shows a feeling she has, that is what it is.
Does this mean the Queen is exclusively Canadian? No, but neither is she exclusively British. Does it completely make sense to have a monarchy? Perhaps not, but should everything be completely sensible? If it should be, then why have we left many historical buildings in tact? Surely a more effective Parliament building could be built, or a more easily navigable Quebec City, but would we not lose part of the country's soul in the process?
I would definitely like to see more visits from the Queen and her family, but official visits are, unfortunately, a matter for the government of the day.
Briefings. Unlike the Dubyah, she can read and comprehend.
WBenson @ Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:34 pm
sandorski sandorski:
WBenson WBenson:
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
$1:
In reality I believe that the Queen is much more a Canadian than many who are born here.
How so?
I think that she is far more aware of much of what happens in Canada, has been to more of it, and cares for its future more than some people born here. One of the few matters on which her personal views have been allowed to shine out (through a prank call nonetheless) was Canadian unity. When there was concern that in the most recent referendum on sovereignty, a majority may vote for independence, she even went so far as to say "Well, it sounds as though the referendum may go the wrong way" to the person she thought was Jean Chretien. On her most recent visit in 2005, she said, "this country and Canadians everywhere have been a constant presence in my life and work." One thing the Queen is not is a good actor. If she says something or shows a feeling she has, that is what it is.
Does this mean the Queen is exclusively Canadian? No, but neither is she exclusively British. Does it completely make sense to have a monarchy? Perhaps not, but should everything be completely sensible? If it should be, then why have we left many historical buildings in tact? Surely a more effective Parliament building could be built, or a more easily navigable Quebec City, but would we not lose part of the country's soul in the process?
I would definitely like to see more visits from the Queen and her family, but official visits are, unfortunately, a matter for the government of the day.
Briefings. Unlike the Dubyah, she can read and comprehend.
Briefings that she could choose to ignore. The fact that she chooses to read and comprehend them when she could probably very easily go without doing so says much.
sandorski @ Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:47 pm
WBenson WBenson:
sandorski sandorski:
WBenson WBenson:
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
$1:
In reality I believe that the Queen is much more a Canadian than many who are born here.
How so?
I think that she is far more aware of much of what happens in Canada, has been to more of it, and cares for its future more than some people born here. One of the few matters on which her personal views have been allowed to shine out (through a prank call nonetheless) was Canadian unity. When there was concern that in the most recent referendum on sovereignty, a majority may vote for independence, she even went so far as to say "Well, it sounds as though the referendum may go the wrong way" to the person she thought was Jean Chretien. On her most recent visit in 2005, she said, "this country and Canadians everywhere have been a constant presence in my life and work." One thing the Queen is not is a good actor. If she says something or shows a feeling she has, that is what it is.
Does this mean the Queen is exclusively Canadian? No, but neither is she exclusively British. Does it completely make sense to have a monarchy? Perhaps not, but should everything be completely sensible? If it should be, then why have we left many historical buildings in tact? Surely a more effective Parliament building could be built, or a more easily navigable Quebec City, but would we not lose part of the country's soul in the process?
I would definitely like to see more visits from the Queen and her family, but official visits are, unfortunately, a matter for the government of the day.
Briefings. Unlike the Dubyah, she can read and comprehend.
Briefings that she could choose to ignore. The fact that she chooses to read and comprehend them when she could probably very easily go without doing so says much.
Not that much. Certainly doesn't make her more Canadian than Canadians. Just a good Study.
Clogeroo @ Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:20 am
$1:
Not that much. Certainly doesn't make her more Canadian than Canadians.
Yes because North Road is so Canadian now isn't it?
WBenson @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:16 pm
sandorski sandorski:
WBenson WBenson:
sandorski sandorski:
WBenson WBenson:
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
$1:
In reality I believe that the Queen is much more a Canadian than many who are born here.
How so?
I think that she is far more aware of much of what happens in Canada, has been to more of it, and cares for its future more than some people born here. One of the few matters on which her personal views have been allowed to shine out (through a prank call nonetheless) was Canadian unity. When there was concern that in the most recent referendum on sovereignty, a majority may vote for independence, she even went so far as to say "Well, it sounds as though the referendum may go the wrong way" to the person she thought was Jean Chretien. On her most recent visit in 2005, she said, "this country and Canadians everywhere have been a constant presence in my life and work." One thing the Queen is not is a good actor. If she says something or shows a feeling she has, that is what it is.
Does this mean the Queen is exclusively Canadian? No, but neither is she exclusively British. Does it completely make sense to have a monarchy? Perhaps not, but should everything be completely sensible? If it should be, then why have we left many historical buildings in tact? Surely a more effective Parliament building could be built, or a more easily navigable Quebec City, but would we not lose part of the country's soul in the process?
I would definitely like to see more visits from the Queen and her family, but official visits are, unfortunately, a matter for the government of the day.
Briefings. Unlike the Dubyah, she can read and comprehend.
Briefings that she could choose to ignore. The fact that she chooses to read and comprehend them when she could probably very easily go without doing so says much.
Not that much. Certainly doesn't make her more Canadian than Canadians. Just a good Study.
It doesn't make her any less though, either.
Tman1 @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:03 pm
A names a name. Back when Canada was a dominion or an underling to Britian, those names would have served fine but now, the CAF, Canadian Air Force sounds nice or the CS (Canadian ship) sounds just fine. None of that has anything to do with severing ties with Britain or its traditions with Canada.
ShepherdsDog @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:22 pm
so you advocate canada become a republic? canada is still a constitutional monarchy and elizabeth is queen of canada, so royal should remain a designation.
Tman1 @ Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:29 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
Our current Queen is Queen of Canada.....not a foreign monarch.
Behave your self.
HOCKEY PUCK
Behave your self.
HOCKEY PUCK
Our current Queen is the Queen of Canada in name only....and a foreign monarch.
Behave yourself fuckface.