Maybe for you, but in this case it’s objective. No tangible link. That’s sound methodology. Don’t like it? Stay out of history.



Argumentative fallacy. His salient point was that the founders of the 18th century republican American did not model it after the Iroquois Confederacy. That was it. No more. No less. All he had to do was disprove your erroneous assertion. You haven’t offered anything even remotely substantial to counter it, so his point remains unchallenged and yours remains unsubstantiated.



Then prove with tangible, verifiable evidence that the Iroquoian Confederacy had “a huge influence” on 18th century American political development. I’d be extremely interested in seeing how you proof that point while addressing the myriad of other contemporary influences (such as British democratic principles and government, republican development and Enlightenment thinking) and how they pale in comparison to the Iroquois Confederacy.



Tman already did. Why rain on his parade? Besides, the onus is on you to substantiate your point, not me. If you were halt the intellect you pretend to be, you’d know that.



All talk – you’re cannon fodder here, and I’m still waiting on the tangible historical links that prove with certainty that the Iroquois Confederacy had a “huge” influence on the crafters of the American Declaration of Impendence, the Articles of Confederation and the future legislators of the nascent republic (hint…there’s a problem for you, in that last one – let’s see you figure it out).

Furthermore, his argument does not disprove that we as First Nations had complex systems of government, justice and other social systems that pre-existed white people's contact with us.

All he says is that the Iroquois MAY have had an influence on the American system of government. What I'm saying is that they did have a huge influence on them.

I would say that you have not a hope in hell of doing so.

Really? You should become the government’s key witness then when these claims get to court.

They will be happy to hear that you have evidence that Canada has paid for all of the Native land it occupies. You'll be a hero, you'll save the Canadian taxpayers alot of cash!!!

And I sure would like to see the evidence you have on that.

How's it going Nick/the fact remains.? You bug eyed freak. Hows the tater crop coming?




Pick you out a mile away nick.

u just jumped on the english word....TRANSACTION...

i took infantrty too basic training.....just like americanms..when i debate with them they know they have no argument...they screwed up my last computer.....hahahah.....so what

OBJECTION TO INVASION OF KANIEN’KE:HAKA/MOHAWK TERRITORY KNOWN AS THE “HALDIMAND TRACT” OF KAIANEREH’KO:WA/GREAT LAW JURISDICTION BY OUTSIDE CORPORATION, CANADIAN HYDRO DEVELOPERS INC., FOR THE “MALANCTHON WIND MILL PROJECT”


DATE: June 20, 2006

FROM: Women Title Holders of the Kanion’ke:haka Nation also known as the Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy on Turtle Island. According to Wampum 44 of the Kaianereh’ko:wa, the Women Title Holders are the “progenitors of the soil” of our nation. We are the Caretakers of the land, water and air.

TO: Canadian Hydro Developers Inc.; Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II; Governor General Michaelle Jean; Prime Minister Stephen Harper; Premier of Province of Ontario; Government of Canada; President of United States; Ministry of Natural Resources; Department of Justice Canada; U.S. Department of Justice; Dept. Finance Canada; Gov. George Pataki of NYS; Attorney General of Canada, Attorney General of Ontario, New York State Attorney General; Indian Affairs, Department of Interior; Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of NYS; Mohawks of Tyendinaga, Saint Regis, Akwesasne, Kanehsatake, Six Nations, Toronto-Montreal-New York Stock Exchanges (Addresses at end of Public Natice).

Att: Geoff Carnegie, Manager, Ontario Projects, 52 Hilldale Crescent, Guelph, Ontario, Canada N1G 4B8; and Ian Callum, Project Manager, Stantec Consulting Limited, 361 Southgate Dr., Guelph Ontario Canada N1G 3M5.

Re: Non-native Melancthon Wind Farm development on Kaianereh’ko:wa Territory, currently known as the “Haldimand Tract”.

OBJECTION TO:

1. INVASION AND OCCUPATION OF KAIANEREH’KO:WA/GREAT LAW TERRITORY KNOWN AS THE “HALDIMAND TRACT” BY THE FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS OF CANADA AND ONTARIO, THEIR CORPORATE AGENTS AND ASSIGNS;
2. THE REFUSAL OF REPRESENTATIVES OF BRITAIN, OF CANADA AS ITS SUCCESSOR STATE, AND OF ONTARIO, AS A PROVINCE OF CANADA, TO ABIDE BY THEIR OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE KAIANEREH’KO:WA, THE CONSTITUTION OF CANADA AND THE CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS.

WHEREAS the Charter of the United Nations requires respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, requiring its members to ensure that armed force is not used to resolve international differences and to resolve disagreements by peaceful means in conformity with justice and international law;
WHEREAS Canada has ascribed to the internationally recognized standards for respecting political rights of the People as set out in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and other international legal instruments;
WHEREAS General Assembly Resolution 1541 (XV) requires the informed consent of a people before they are included in another state;
WHEREAS the International Court of Justice affirmed Resolution 1541 in the Western Sahara case;
WHEREAS THE COURTS OF OTHER COLONIAL STATES LIKE THE Supreme Court of Australia in Mabo have formally repudiated past colonial reasoning and practices;
WHEREAS the United Nations Committee for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination found on March 6, 2006 that the United States was denying the Western Shoshone people “their rights to own, develop, control and use their land and resources”; warning the U.S. to respect the Convention; and to “freeze”, “desist” and “stop” their actions immediately and to abide by the Committee’s “Early Warning and Urgent Action Procedure”;
WHEREAS international law is firmly committed to affirming the equal and inalienable rights of all peoples and rejecting colonial encroachment on other peoples, including Indigenous nations;
WHEREAS both the U.S. and Canada must abide by the international law principle that there can be no development on Indigenous land without consulting the Title Holders; ignoring the true Indigenous people is now universally recognized as being illegal; Indigenous people must be consulted; and our perspectives on the issues can not longer be ignored;

THEREFORE AS:

1. On October 25, 1784, General Frederick Haldimand pledged Britain’s protection for the Rotino’shon:ni people on a tract of land within our traditional domain extending six miles deep on either side of the Grand River running from its mouth in Lake Erie to its source, “to them and their posterity forever”.

2. Canada has allowed most of our resources to be taken by squatters, illegal land transfers and fraud. Dozens of cities and towns have been established on our land without our consent.
3. Canada and the province of Ontario have continuously issued permits for the use of our land even though they know they do not have legal title. As a result, a private company, Canadian Hydro Developers began building the Melancthon Windmill Project on the “Haldimand Tract” for the sale of energy to non-Indigenous people who may not have been aware that there was no legal root to the title they were given.
WE THEREFORE DEMAND THAT CANADIAN HYDRO DEVELOPERS INC.:

1.Cease and desist immediately the invasion and exploitation of our territory to build the Melancthon Wind Farm north of Shelburne, Ontario.

2.Stop trespassing on our territory as respected by the conjunction of our constitution, Kaianereh’ko:wa, the Canadian Constitution and the U.S. Constitution.

3.Canadian Hydro Developers Inc. consult with and asked for the consent and permission of the Kanion’ke:haka before doing anything further on our land.

4. To respect the Guswentha/Two Row Wampum Agreement as the basis of our nation-to-nation relationship.

5. In Canada we took an action in the Supreme Court of Canada – Kanion’ke:haka Kaianereh’ko:wa Kanon’ses:neh v. Attorney General of Canada and Her Majesty the Queen in Right of Ontario, Court File: 05-CV-030785.
We brought this constitutional jurisdiction issue before the U.S. Supreme Court. See No. 05-165: 2005. In The Supreme Court of the United States In re Kanion’ke:haka Kaianereh’ko:wa Kanon’ses:neh, Non-party, Petitioner/Movant/Appellant, The Canadian St. Regis Band of Mohawk Indians, Plaintiffs, Respondents, v. The State of New York, Defendants, Respondents. Petition for Writs of with Certiorari and Quo Warranto with Prohibition and Mandamus in Aid to Prevent Genocide. Rules 17.1 and 20.1.

Whereas:

1.Jurisdiction over our territory now called “Southern Ontario” and “Quebec” and beyond, is part of the Rotinonshonni/Iroquois territory.

2.The Canadian and U.S. Constitutions respect that relations with us shall be conducted on a nation-to-nation basis. Canada, Ontario and Canadian Hydro Developers Inc. do not supersede this constitution-to-constitution relationship between our nations.

3. We continue to have jurisdiction over all Kaianereh’ko:wa territory.

4.We demand to be officially informed of how international, federal and provincial entities can violate international law and the rule of law by appropriating jurisdiction over territory we never surrendered.

By Kanion’ke:haka Women Title Holders

Kahentinetha Bear Clan /s/_____________________

Katenies Bear Clan /(s/________________________

Methinks I will fall to Donny's level and become a little racist....


Without the whites the natives wouldn't be able to burn tyres (tires)

you PPL..evolved from monkeys...we evolved from ridin horses to ur pollution spewing....cars....

you PPL..evolved from monkeys...we evolved from ridin horses to ur pollution spewing....cars....

And this coming from the dumb animal – that’s rich. Troll on, my ignorant bigoted dolt, troll on.

im not a bigot either

I think he said he evolved from riding horses into pollution spewing cars.....therefore I guess he is a pollution spewing car. I didn't know they could talk.