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too many differences at a provincial level. I cant see saskatchewan benefiting from a conservative government, I cant see Alberta benefiting from a NDP government, and I can see BC serviving without their premier resigning in disgrass. LOL

   

Who really wants to live in a Province named "Buffalo" anyway? I mean, seriously?

   

Hmm... I better reconsider the province where I wanna live... It won't be Buffalo, that's for sure!

What would be on my licence plate?
Beautiful land of the friendly living roses?

   

If I could live the same way I do now, or better, I wouldn't care if the place was called 'Shit Island' and had the 'World's Largest Turd' on display at the border!

   

Nope! It would be ' Let the Eastern Bastards Freeze'!

   

And boot wins another one...

   

If you honestly wanted to see Canada survive, then you would stop this childing finger-pointing and talk of seperation.



Quebec isn't trying to implement their way across Canada; they are frightfully paranoid of losing their language in their own province.

If Quebec was trying to implement their way across Canada, learning French would be mandatory and all classes would be in French everywhere, everyone would be proud to be Quebecois and want Quebec to seperate, there would be the Language Police everywhere and everywhere you went, there would have to be services in French.

That is not all across Canada, nor is it being forced.







Question for you, Clog: How many times have you seen an Ontario Premier get his panties in a bunch over what BC, Quebec or Alberta has?

What you do see is everyone looking at Ontario with a jealous eye and saying like a brat at Christmas: "I want what Timmy down the street has!"



Yeah, and we Ontarians with over a third of the population aren't contributing shit.

   

   

Arctic_Menace

Yeah well resistance is futile....they will be assimilated.

Not forced? Not for want of trying.........

The extent bi-lingualism has been impossed.....certain pin-heads get their shirt in a knot just because all labels etc must be in French as well as english, Canada wide. Even your post office bears "Bureau de Poste" and RCMP Vehicle doors are in both languages.

All independance movements would instantly whither even in Quebec if one day some-one made it open season on LIBRANOs. It appears sovereigntists and separatists are more anti-LIBRANO than anti-Canada.

   

You actually think because Meech Lake was rejected because of the senate? It was rejected because it unfairly was going to hand Quebec more special powers. Also it didn't even promise elected senators it was more about the provinces being at the table in who knows what kind of senate. Why should Quebec have veto power over any constitutional decision? That is ludicrous just like much of the accord that is why it was rejected. Charlottetown was rejected again for handing more special treatment for others over others. I'm sure many people here would have loved the senate reforms but they are not going to do it at such a high cost against equality. Most of these negotiations were done behind the scenes as well which left the public out of the process. I wouldn't say it is childish I would say people did what was right. You can't just sugar coat something that was really designed as another bribe of getting Quebec locked in Canada then expect people to accept it. I don't think it is selfish to have equality for why should Quebec have more rights than another province?

Why should mostly farmers in the west be forced to buy goods from Ontario and Quebec to save themselves from their own economic downturn? Raising tariffs was just a protective measure for them to take advantage of the market and to be able to raise their prices at whatever level they wanted (And they did). They used the old excuse America is bad therefore we cannot buy from them idea when really importing a hoe from Montana or a plough would have hardly hurt anyone. Your family are even Ukrainian immigrants it wouldn't surprise me if they were farmers and I doubt they would have appreciated paying double or more for the same tool they could get elsewhere for less. If the railway would have meant it would be the steel shackles that would have forever trapped us in this country and if people foreseen the future I doubt they would have wanted it. It was built on scandal from its start with the government awarding contracts to those who financed them during the election. The railway was inefficient and clearly it was those in Ontario and Quebec that made the profit off it while the cattle herdsmen, farmer, and lumberjack had to pay for it. Not to mention the high taxes that were put on the west to pay for this steel line not of unity but of chains. Even when the settlers started arriving they were forced to move to locations they did not even want due to the CPR's monopoly of land around its railway. For your comment Canada would have No manufacturing industry if in order to have one it had to block cheaper goods, inflate its prices enormously, and have one railway way built on corruption with a total monopoly then maybe they would have been better off not having one or at least they could like capitalists due lower prices to compete with other markets. Speaking of that there are many instances where manufacturing has always been favoured in the east and has always been awarded government contracts and even have had to throw in public money for most of them instead of buying from western companies trying to sell goods that were even cheaper.

Fair enough about equalisation but it was just really designed to help the struggling Newfoundland and maritime provinces. Quebec has been collecting on it for over 30 years and is still spewing out they are a have not province. Ontario is apparently supposed to be considered a have not in the next decade and even Saskatchewan will be a "have". How does this make sense is beyond me that the two largest provinces in Canada will actually be "have nots" but I guess that is the way the formula works. Also I don't support equalisation and I don't think Ontario should have to be paying it out either to any province. We should put a hand up rather than a hand out. NEP will be replaced many are fearing by some environment policies now where since Alberta is developing and has pollution perhaps it will have to give money to other provinces for being less polluting. Call it NEP Green if you wish.

The population of the west will not matter if we have exclusive seats being awarded to some but not others and have a senate that still can be appointed. There are 10 million people out here now yet change has not happened much at all and still old central powers will always be favoured. Also Harper's half baked attempt at reform is hardly encouraging and this is coming from a former reform party member. The future looks bleak to me and after a century of reason, talk, ideas of reform, and so on I have yet to see any real changes or much encouragement this century may be the one. Even if the senate was reformed completely to our liking and the government stopped trying to control the provinces and this special treatment of others ended and their colonial treatment of us ceased I would still most likely be pushing for independence. I feel in the long run we would be better off unless of course we want our own set powers and have our own enticements set up for those in the east to pay to keep us here. But that would not be fair to Ontario and revenge will not accomplish much nor do I desire it. I think we should just say good bye and go our own way. The Canadians can keep paying Quebec the maritimes and recognise every minority group out there as being chosen people. They can continue to prop up their industries too and throw public money into them and the unions that run most. I feel if the west really pulled itself together focussed on debt payment and economic growth with low taxation and less bureaucracy with a political system based on provincial autonomy and government accountability we could create a better more unified country than we ever could have with Canada.

There are questions for you I must ask is how many slaps in the face will it take for you to wake up? How many cries and petitions must be sent before we are heard? Do we really want to see another Trudeau with his insidious smile of deceit? Or be tempt along on the promise of change that no one has any real intention of fulfilling? How many wrongs must be done against us before we take a stand for ourselves? Are we that cowardice to take a stand? Are we that afraid to demand our liberty and equality that is our right? Why must you try and justify the harm that has been done to us or rally against the candour we seek? Tell me what do you ask us to do if our issues never become addressed and continue to fall on ears that do not hear and show deafness to us? Simply forget about them? For you maybe that is a solution but to me it is not one at all. Petitioning for eternity in vain is not one either.




Glad to see you would like living in an aristocracy.



How is it not due to the breakdown of the system? I can't imagine a third of people in the west want to leave because Canada is simply number one in their eyes or it is working. I suppose some people are still naive enough to believe though that we can work it all out with Canada. But if things continue as they are now I'm sure more people will realise like I have that hoping that the old order will fall or change is a foolish thought and really we could due better for ourselves than to grovel at some people's feet in order to see some kind of positive change. But mock if you will, ignore if you must but you should know since you consider yourself the master of all things related to anything that history will not look kindly on this stance of arrogance.



Continue spouting your elitism if you wish but it does you no justice.

   

Glad to see you high on rhetoric and low on knowledge - it makes my role easier. But hey, I’ll be sporting to the cognitively challenged; you demonstrate that we live in an aristocracy. My bets are on you either retreating to some cowardly intellectually relativist corner or simply wussing out. Let’s see who lives in this “world of ignorance”.




DODGE!!!!!! And Skippy follows that up with a fine argumentative fallacy to boot! Come on, “I-worked-in-an-office-and-once-i-had-a-Coke-with-my-noodles” thinker, let’s see you back up your claim that, “33% of British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba want to separate and this is, in fact, due in large part to the failure of our current system”. I don’t want your uneducated prattle (let’s be honest, you haven’t read crap on the subject nor have you even attended a real political science course), personal observations or cowardly dodges, either substantiate your point or go back to under your bridge.



Continue spouting your ignorance if you wish but it impresses no one that is politically aware. Sorry, you’re a wannabe trying to matter here and a coward to boot. Shuffle on, Skippy, shuffle on.

   

Notice how both of those are national institutions and since Canada has two official languages, they have to be in both languages.

   

lily, Mustang insults everyone he gets into an argument with, regardless of the strenght or weakness of their argument. In other words, he's just being himself.

Also, Clog did make a claim and has yet to provide any justification or fact for it; all that he has offered is a very long yet linguistically colourful post that just makes more assumptions and finger pointing. More of a rant than a response to a question/challenge...

   

Actually, i asked to substantiate his "stats" which he didn't and I also wanted to see a correlation to said alleged stats and a desire for political seperation (the first part of the post wasn't directed toward me anyway). I was offered neither. Sorry, i'm not interested in the simple opinions on complex matters.

   

In all seriousness, nothing about what i posted about Skippy can't be independently verified. He's a self-admitted Western Separatist that really possess very little knowledge about Canada, its history or politics or ideologies. In fact, when its point out to him, he cowardly refuses to admit he's wrong, so why afford people like him any respect? I'm only here to correct his dreck, so other people don't assume it has any kind legitimacy

   

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