Stephane Dion makes things up as he goes.
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
But the good news is that CBC is dropping leaf games to air more Habs, Senators and even Penquin games. It's about time that they discovered that Toronto isn't the center of the universe like Bob McCown from prime time sports seems to think.
Better still would be to dump the CBC in its entirety and use the money saved for research into "clean" energy.
You idiots have no idea what Dion has done in the past to keep this country together. Of course you don't. Most of you are so far separated from the everyday realities of the French-English divide that you can only shoot your mouths off about it while really knowing nothing.
During the '95 referendum here in Québec, Dion was still a professor of Poli Sci at UQAM, and he was the ONLY major non-politician who came out strongly and publicly against separation. He was on the television everyday shooting down the PQ's arguments. People in Quebec hated him and still hate him because he was so good at refuting the bastard separatists at ever single turn.
The reason he is unpopular in Quebec is because Quebeckers are not used to being contradicted, and he did such a good job of it when it came to the national question here. He did such a good job, that Mrs. Chrétien noticed him and suggested to PM Chrétien that he hire Dion. That's how he got into politics in the first place. Not for the power, not for the money or fame... but because he loved his country, and he defended it so well.
paisley_cross paisley_cross:
Better still would be to dump the CBC in its entirety and use the money saved for research into "clean" energy.

The CBC is a national treasure. It serves a great purpose, as a public watchdog whose approval isn't for sale like Canwest or the other conglomerates. It belongs to everyone, and no matter where you live in this great and vast country, I'm talking the most northern (inhabited) corners of Nunavut' you can tune in to the service in English, French, or several native languages.
Every western country has a national broadcaster (except the US, but even they have NPR/PBS).
Wow, was I ever wrong about Dion. I thought he'd surprise everyone, do a good job and grab a lead in the polls off of Harper, the same way snuck up in the leadership bid. Instead the guy is just a mealy-mouthed lightweight who doesn't show a real firm grasp of issues at all. And you'd think he'd get of his butt and master English as head of the Liberal party.
Ignatieff is no hope--he's kind of like Hilary Clinton-you need a razor blade to tell the difference between his policies and Harper's. They are both pro-war and pro-torture, which, for me anyways, is showstopper to getting my vote.
Oh well, I don't think a minority government is a bad thing.
MacDonaill MacDonaill:
You idiots have no idea what Dion has done in the past to keep this country together. Of course you don't. Most of you are so far separated from the everyday realities of the French-English divide that you can only shoot your mouths off about it while really knowing nothing.
During the '95 referendum here in Québec, Dion was still a professor of Poli Sci at UQAM, and he was the ONLY major non-politician who came out strongly and publicly against separation. He was on the television everyday shooting down the PQ's arguments. People in Quebec hated him and still hate him because he was so good at refuting the bastard separatists at ever single turn.
The reason he is unpopular in Quebec is because Quebeckers are not used to being contradicted, and he did such a good job of it when it came to the national question here. He did such a good job, that Mrs. Chrétien noticed him and suggested to PM Chrétien that he hire Dion. That's how he got into politics in the first place. Not for the power, not for the money or fame... but because he loved his country, and he defended it so well.
I don’t think people here question Dion’s loyalty to Canada and ya sure he did a great job of fighting the separatist movement in Quebec but does that necessarily qualify him as Leader of the Federal Liberal Party. Based on his performance over last 2 years I would have to say not. You can bash the people here on this forum all you like but this argument can be heard even within the Liberal Party itself. Personally I think the man is being used as a means to an end by the Liberals. They didn’t have anyone who really didn’t have any poop on their shoes left over from the Chrétien / Martin mudslinging days so they picked Dion as an intern leader until the party could regroup and find a new fresh new Leader who has the strength and charisma to go into an election with. That way they can claim they are a revitalized party with a whole new perspective free from past corruption. Besides, just because you support him or his party doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be critical of him. He may be a good man with some good ideas but that won’t be enough for the Liberals to win an election with, even avid supporters of Dion are starting to realize this. I personally think Liberals supporters should perhaps start trying to encourage the Liberals to fix their screwed up party instead of being apologists for them, until they do the Liberals are going no where fast.
ziggy @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:38 am
MacDonaill MacDonaill:
paisley_cross paisley_cross:
Better still would be to dump the CBC in its entirety and use the money saved for research into "clean" energy.

The CBC is a national treasure. It serves a great purpose, as a public watchdog whose approval isn't for sale like Canwest or the other conglomerates. It belongs to everyone, and no matter where you live in this great and vast country,
I'm talking the most northern (inhabited) corners of Nunavut' you can tune in to the service in English, French, or several native languages.
Every western country has a national broadcaster (except the US, but even they have NPR/PBS).
Only if you have satelite.
RUEZ @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:30 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
They are both pro-war and pro-torture,
ziggy ziggy:
MacDonaill MacDonaill:
paisley_cross paisley_cross:
Better still would be to dump the CBC in its entirety and use the money saved for research into "clean" energy.

The CBC is a national treasure. It serves a great purpose, as a public watchdog whose approval isn't for sale like Canwest or the other conglomerates. It belongs to everyone, and no matter where you live in this great and vast country,
I'm talking the most northern (inhabited) corners of Nunavut' you can tune in to the service in English, French, or several native languages.
Every western country has a national broadcaster (except the US, but even they have NPR/PBS).
Only if you have satelite.
I can't get CBC without a dish in South Central Alberta.
fire_i @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:32 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Wow, was I ever wrong about Dion. I thought he'd surprise everyone, do a good job and grab a lead in the polls off of Harper, the same way snuck up in the leadership bid. Instead the guy is just a mealy-mouthed lightweight who doesn't show a real firm grasp of issues at all. And you'd think he'd get of his butt and master English as head of the Liberal party.
I'm surprised anyone thought this at all. Dion has always pretty much been identified as a good behind-the-scenes guy but as someone you don't give too much foreground attention, be it by analysts or... well, simple Mr. and Mrs. everybody (as the polls kinda' show). 'Party leader' simply isn't his place. Amazing he managed to get this far actually... shows how poor his opposition was.
$1:
Ignatieff is no hope--he's kind of like Hilary Clinton-you need a razor blade to tell the difference between his policies and Harper's. They are both pro-war and pro-torture, which, for me anyways, is showstopper to getting my vote.
The Libs have no real leader in their ranks right now. Whoever would take Dion's place, if necessary (HAHAHA), would probably not do a much better job. I say "much" because the bar is so low I just don't see how one could do worse, but whatever.
That's one of the few things in which you can compare the federal Liberal Party to the Parti Québécois. Both the parties and the leaders drift along semi-aimlessly, only surviving because their opposition is also notoriously weak or simply doesn't catch on in the population.
$1:
Oh well, I don't think a minority government is a bad thing.
At this moment the best Canada can hope for is just that - a minority government. Be it Conservative or Liberal, the end result is likely to be similar enough. A majority of either would, IMO, be a catastrophy.
Maybe the NDP could kick in.

Not a chance.
Like I've said before, Canada has already rejected Martin, and Martin was 10 times the leader that Dion was. It's too late to forgive and forget, the liberal party needs to rebuild itself first.
fire_i fire_i:
I'm surprised anyone thought this at all. Dion has always pretty much been identified as a good behind-the-scenes guy but as someone you don't give too much foreground attention, be it by analysts or... well, simple Mr. and Mrs. everybody (as the polls kinda' show). 'Party leader' simply isn't his place. Amazing he managed to get this far actually... shows how poor his opposition was.
He was an effective back room guy though. He rarely lost an argument at the Cabinet table under Chretien or Martin. But you're right--back room mover and shaker doesn't necessarily translate into leader. Different skill set.
$1:
The Libs have no real leader in their ranks right now. Whoever would take Dion's place, if necessary (HAHAHA), would probably not do a much better job. I say "much" because the bar is so low I just don't see how one could do worse, but whatever.
Yes, I'd agre wiht you there. On the negative side, you caould say they are in disarray; on the positive you could say that destrcution brings renewal.
$1:
Maybe the NDP could kick in.

Not a chance.
The NDP are doomed to be perennial also-rans, it seems. As if they don't have enough troubles, now they have the Greens vacuuming votes from them.
ryan29 @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:07 am
MacDonaill MacDonaill:
paisley_cross paisley_cross:
Better still would be to dump the CBC in its entirety and use the money saved for research into "clean" energy.

The CBC is a national treasure. It serves a great purpose, as a public watchdog whose approval isn't for sale like Canwest or the other conglomerates. It belongs to everyone, and no matter where you live in this great and vast country, I'm talking the most northern (inhabited) corners of Nunavut' you can tune in to the service in English, French, or several native languages.
Every western country has a national broadcaster (except the US, but even they have NPR/PBS).
well i admit the cbc has potential but its news coverage at times has been rather biased and giving liberals questions to ask mulroney was just wrong .
its one thing to cover the news but to try and create the news is not right .
ryan29 @ Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:11 am
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:
Like I've said before, Canada has already rejected Martin, and Martin was 10 times the leader that Dion was. It's too late to forgive and forget, the liberal party needs to rebuild itself first.
agree if martin was not good enough to be PM , how can they possibily claim that dion is up to the job . when he is clearly not .
In all fairness to the LIBRANOs, with their party in disarray made a grave error in nominating Dion.
This closely resembles the conservative error after Mulrooney of nominating Kim Campbell----a gafe they are only now recovering from.
They both likely seemed a good idea at the time.
The LIBRANOs will likely despite their expertise, need a decade to recover.
Both Dion and Campbell are merely symptoms of a totally discredited political entity.
Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:
ziggy ziggy:
MacDonaill MacDonaill:
paisley_cross paisley_cross:
Better still would be to dump the CBC in its entirety and use the money saved for research into "clean" energy.

The CBC is a national treasure. It serves a great purpose, as a public watchdog whose approval isn't for sale like Canwest or the other conglomerates. It belongs to everyone, and no matter where you live in this great and vast country,
I'm talking the most northern (inhabited) corners of Nunavut' you can tune in to the service in English, French, or several native languages.
Every western country has a national broadcaster (except the US, but even they have NPR/PBS).
Only if you have satelite.
I can't get CBC without a dish in South Central Alberta.

You can get CBC Radio pretty much no matter where you live. CBC isn't just television. For many people in northern communities, CBC\SRC radio is their only news source.
I can get CBC Radio and CBC television where I live without cable or satellite, in ENGLISH, even though I'm one of maybe 200 anglophones in a city of 120,000, in a region where 99.8% of the population speaks French.
I'd say that's pretty damn good. And if I didn't have cable, they would be the only English channels on the radio or television I would have access to.
When you live somewhere where CBC is the only English channel, you learn to love it.