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I hope for the same. And yes I do have issues with the Israelis. The reason: they terrorize a whole population and we do not move against it. We are afraid that we might hurt their feelings. Why do we go after everybody else and not against Israel who broke 63 UN resolutions and say F off to the UN in every possible occasion. If we are going to fight terrorism, no one should be off the list.

I am also glad I live in Canada and be able to discuss issues like these with you and others.

   

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I am also glad I live in Canada and be able to discuss issues like these with you and others.

We really never have to agree but we must always be able to discuss.

   

Discrimination on the basis of religion? I could understand that if the religion called for some kind of criminal activity... like, I dunno, human sacrifice or something. But Muslims?

Before suggesting not letting people of a certain faith into the country, perhaps you should learn a little more about their faith.

Misconceptions about the Koran

The whole idea of discrimination by religion pisses me off a little BTW.

   

Thank you for the link. I hope some people would read it and remove the misconception from their heads.

   

The problem I see is that there are men in all religions that get into a place of power in these religions and abuse it. These are not true men of God, or truely religious. They are just power hungry bastards or just plain sick. You see this type in all religions, christian, muslim, jew. The ones that preach hatred and violence are not men of God.

   

It has been my observation that most if not all religions have been hijacked and used to gain power over the masses.
Religion has set off most of the wars and yet some how they have God on both sides.
This latest usurping of Gods good grace just happens to be coming from the Middle East.
Not too long ago it was from Ireland they had God on their side too.
As always it’s ok to kill if God is on your side.
What a load of crap.
If we are ever to move forward as brothers in this world we would do well to do away with religion

   

People should realise that you cant group a whole race of people with a few radicals. We're all human beings. Every race, every religion, has it's skeletons in the coloset. No matter what race or religion you are, you dont want to be painted with the same brush. I have German heritage. Does that make me a Nazi?

   

Well for some people they can do without a religion. Some others do have a religion that tolerates others and live in peace. All of the 3 great religions promote peace and tolerance. Only the misguided uses his religion for political gains or to prove some point. Of course, this person who is using religion to gain power will have followers who are brainwashed like him.

This what make Canada a great country. You might not have a religion but we can still argue and agree/disagree with each other without putting religion in the middle. I am free to have my religion and you to have yours.

But back to the original post. Now we should really understand that stopping people from entering Canada based on their religion is wrong. The Sikhes were involved in a terrible plane bombing years back. Yet they are here and are a big part of our society. It was the doing of a few men trying to stir shit between Hindus and Sikhs.

   

No Gonzo. Having a German heritage does not at all make you a Nazi. And I do agree with you fully that we should not paint ppl with the same brush. I think I said that few times now but i noticed your post and I wanted to comment on your strong beliefs. Thank you.

   

The major problem with denying access to any person based on religious grounds... ( Religion is used as a tool to rally a people to the war machine. It has been all throughout our history. It has been used to cover the greedy ambitions of countless leaders) ... There are laws against discrimination in Canada.(and rightly so) The government cannot justify denying anyone access based on their religious beliefs or preferences.

Besides placing them in a position of hypocrisy, it puts them on very slippery legal ground. Who will pay for the lawsuits against the Canadian Government if a Muslim is denied the chance for citizenship on religious grounds ? The Canadian taxpayer of course. These types of cases take years. Laws have to be applied equally and fairly to everyone. If you give that premise up, slowly the rights and reputation of Canada and its citizens are diminished. How many of your rights would you be willing to give up?

Run this scenario, by your thought processes. As was scene in 911, false passports were used. Eliminating persons by country becomes difficult.When you add religion to the equation...you run into a whole new problem. A terrorist is not gong to think twice about declaring he is not a Muslim, if his objective is to circumvent any government. Certainly you could try, to get every world government, to name their passport holder's religion as part of a condition to obtaining a passport. If passport documents weren't being forged, that is.

What if someone changes religion during the passports duration? How do you administrate that?

Banning someone based on their religion or country of origin would be bureaucratic chaos. What happens when something is to complicated to administer...It makes it easier to fool the system. Therefore, the effort of banning people based on religious backrounds, would make it easier for the terrorists to accomplish their goals. For that reason alone, it would be foolhardy for Canada to deny access based on personal beliefs.

   

Human beings can only take so much. What drives a man to such extremes? How does someone become a terrorist? And why is it in these countries that it's happening? Thats easy. They're poor. They're tired of being used. They're having there holy land taken from them and the world turns a blind eye. Does that make terrorism right? No. But you should understand these things. If you want to beat terrorism you cant terrorize your enemy. If they dont care if they die how can you beat them? And what do they have to live for anyway. There homes are being bombed. There land is being taken from them and they are poor. If terrorism is to be stopped we have to go to the root of the problem. To many Israelis and Palestinians have died. This has been going on for to long.

   

Gonzo, you are right with one exception. The people of the ME are not poor. They are made poor. They have resources to make them richer than B. Gates 10 times over. But your point of them being used is the key. What have they got to lose. Everything is taken from them anyway. Nothing to live for. So they turn to become human bombs which is by itself not acceptable but to them it is justifiable.

Why is the US trying to spread democracy in the ME and they ignore spreading democracy in China. Why are they buddies with Pakistan and not with Syria. Pakistan has more so called terrorists than Syria. But the US look at it from a different angle. Today I need Pakistan to fight terror in Afghanistan. Later they do to Pakistan what they did to their friend Saddam after finishing from him helping them against Iran. And the cycle goes on again.

The people of the ME are well aware that they are being used by the US and by their own leaders. If they speak their mind, they are killed and the US turns the other way.

All the governments of the ME must be removed as they are instated by the West to serve their needs. Once this is accomplished, the people will have more say and more freedom. More freedom means more peace.

   

I know that this might be off topic but the point about wealth and the Middle East brought up a thought.
What if the wealth in the Middle East were distributed evenly amongst the masses.
What would the world look like? what would religion look like?

   

You mean... instead of being stolen by the west?

   

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While it’s true that the West greedy.

The Middle East’s wealth in countries like Saudi,Yemen,Oman,Qutar,Kuwait.
Is controlled by less than 1% of the population and the gap between the rich and the poverty stricken is very wide.
And in a few of these countries the control of the money is in the hands of one or two families

   

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