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I've already stated that I don't dissagree with this. It cuts both ways. I'm as quick to dismiss a dumpy minivan driver as she is a girl in thigh highs. It's even... I don't have a problem with it. I can wear a suit but my eyes still give me away.

   

To back up your perspective on this one. As a guy escorting a woman (especially if she's provocatively dressed) I'm very aware of where I am and who's about. Just because a girl is with a boy dosn't mean there can't be problems. The first step is avoiding problematic situations. If you're going to tempt fate make sure you have a winning hand.

   

Well thank you, I'm glad that you at least see that I'm not advocating rape by any means. I'm not saying the blame lies entirely with the woman, just that if women want to scream for equal rights, they need to start accepting control of their own lives, their own situations, ...the choices ARE there.

And yes, true enough, just because there's an escort doesn't mean there can't be problems, but the likelihood of there being problems are considerably smaller, than if she wasn't escorted.

I retract any nasty statements I slung at you earlier, I was getting riled up when people started accusing me of 'advocating rape'

   

Fair enough, I hadn't quite made up my mind on whether I had respect for you or not up until now. There are points you make that I have agreed with in the past, and points that I've disagreed with.

I should also point out that I am vehemently AGAINST (if you read back, before we got sidetracked & people thought I was advocating rape which I WAS NOT) women thinking that they can be "everyting a man can be" They CANNOT. It is ridiculous for them to think that, and even more ridiculous for them to strive for it.

Are you a helpless female? No. Should you get an escort to your car if the situation is one that has proven to be dangerous, in many instances? Yes. Does it make you weak to ask for an escort? No, it makes you smart.

   

To Slutty women!

   

Aside from a sperm donor or one of the Chippendales, what exactly can't they be? You said at the beginning of this thread that you feel that women have already achieved equality with men, so... what's left?

   

Okay, I apologize for calling you a "typical weak female"

Technically females are not weak unless they choose to be.

Females who choose to place the blame everywhere but themselves, for situations that need NOT have occurred, if they had made intelligent informed decisions, are idiots. Throughout this whole argument, this is the impression YOU were giving me. That you would rather behave like a ninny & get attacked than acknowledge that in the situations I outlined, that yes there were steps that could've been taken on the females' part, to prevent such situations from occurring.

Whether you are helpless or not Lily, is entirely up to you. If you purposely put yourself into a vulnerable position, do you have the strength to acknowledge the fact that you put yourself there, and that you could have made wiser choices?

   

This is a true... most women aren't men.... or at least not all man.
That's not a bad thing. As women become more educated and more succesful in the modern world of communication their differences should be celebrated. This gain of strength and position will not keep them safe from very confused, simple men. The men who can not adapt to the new world will of course have a very different experience of the change.

   

Ask the radical feminists that. For me, women have achieved as much equality as they need to. Anything beyond where we are today would (and should) be purely on an individual level. If there's women who want to aim higher, power to them, go for it, I'm not interested.

What's left? More representation in the workforces apparently, (although I don't care about this, and disagree its a pressing issue) and equal wages (and again I don't care & disagree about its importance)

This is what I"m getting at. I disagree with the group the Status of Women. I disagree with the need to continuously push the envelope further & further. We're allowed to go to school, we're allowed to work, we're allowed to vote & we're acknowledged as individuals. We've come a LONG way.

We are not however, ever going to be able to be everything a man can be and I greatly dislike women who like to insist that they can be.

To bring us completely full circle around to the thread topic, I don't think that the Tories cutting funding to the Status of Women group, is a negative thing by any means.

   

Lily, in your previous posts you completely disregarded the notion of females taking control of their situations, you completely disregarded the idea that the way they dress would have an impact on how they're treated, you completely disregarded as well that walking to the car unescorted late at night, could have any potential hazardous results. I brought those examples up, to try to get you to acknowledge that there are steps that females can take, which empowers them and gives them a degree of control over how they are treated & their safety. And how did you react? You accused me of advocating rape. Shame on you.

   

Several things.

They can't meet several of the physical demands that men do. Yes a few women can, the ones that feel the need to prove a point, but the vast majority, cannot, and care not to.

The statistics about women earning less than men is a broad spectrum type of stastistic, and many of the results are due to the fact that a lot of the higher paying jobs are highly physical jobs which most women are unable to fulfill.

As far as the 'equal representation' in the workplace, that's bullshit. If women -wanted- to be CEO's and in upper management, I have little doubt that they would be. Why should radicals be hollering about how "unfair" it all is, when really only the select few radicals care?

It is foolish & unrealistic for these idiots to keep demanding that women get paid more "on average" when women won't have equal representation in heavy duty mechanics jobs and construction jobs and many other labour type jobs, because the majority of women will be physically uncapable of fulfilling those jobs. Does this mean "all" women? No, but it does mean that it is unrealistic to expect that women will be equal on all these fronts someday. It won't happen.

   

Men and women should celebrate their differences not dismiss, ignore or measure them.

   

Well thanks for accusing me of advocating rape, instead of simply agreeing with the points I made. I sure do appreciate it, especially since I was not advocating rape by any means.

   

Oh!

Well, then in the above instance, you would be WRONG.

You didn't post all that before I joined in the discussion, I made my first post in this thread, before you joined in the discussion. Check the first page.



Good try though.

   

Semantics Lily, Semantics.

I have to say, I am beginning to agree with that other dude...

Lily cannot admit when she is wrong.

   

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