A dozen protesters carry rifles to Obama speech
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Praxius @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:35 pm
ASLplease ASLplease:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Arming yourself is the highest and purest form of political protest. Americans established a tradition of just this kind of thing in 1775. Used to be the English carried some very beautiful daggers quite publicly to distinguish themselves as free men. I'd say the charming young fellow at the rally in Arizona carried his properly safed AR-15 as a similar demonstration.
Free people are free to responsibly bear arms and as and where they see fit.
Anyone who is not free to do the same is not quite as free, are they?
Free people are free to responsibly bear arms and as and where they see fit.
Anyone who is not free to do the same is not quite as free, are they?
Well written, Bart. I wish that more Canadians could apreciate this idea.
Not many appreciate it, because not many of us ever needed it... nor have many other nations needed to protest by resorting to violence, simply because you didn't get what you wanted.
Praxius @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:38 pm
ASLplease ASLplease:
As a Canadian, I wish that the definition of 'freedom and liberty' did not mean ' well if it isn't included in the charter of rights, then it isn't a right'
Canadians truly have a pathetic attitude towards freedom and liberty
Canadians truly have a pathetic attitude towards freedom and liberty
Really?
We're free... probably more free then those in the US (Patriot Act among many other examples).... we didn't even have to goto war to gain our freedom.
And yet, because we didn't go around gunning people down and starting wars.... we're the one's with the pathetic attitude towards freedom?
Give your head a shake will ya?
Mustang1 @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:38 pm
Mustang1 Mustang1:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
Canadians do "appreciate" it, but many still reject it. Many Canadians also realize it's the 21st century and invoking archaic historical illustrations really isn't a persuasive argument. Americans can have their "rights" and they can keep them there. Again, all this does is make me glad to be Canadian.
I'd appreciate you didn't try to speak for all Canadians. That's a "Canadian" value I've never appreciated.
Where did I say I spoke for all Canadians? I said many Canadians reject a constitutional amendment that allows private citizens to bear arms. Is that wrong? Is there currently a groundswell of populism that supports it? Do we have a legal/constitutional history that supports it?
I'd appreciate it if you think before posting as it saves me the time to correct your litany of comprehension issues and argumentative fallacies.
I guess little ridenrain couldn't ape someone's blog or Xerox a website to answer my questions. If only people would think before posting, we'd have less mindless prattle and more informed debate. Typical...i'd appreciate it if those that didn't graduate from high school could refrain from political discourse.
Praxius @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:39 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
Are you presuming to suggest that you know the law better than the police involved? I'm far more intimidated by bus loads of union stooges than I am of one man with a rifle. The man with a rifle only has one vote where the union goons have many.
Using your Vote is one thing.... Using a Firearm is something totally different.
Mustang1 @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:39 pm
ASLplease ASLplease:
Canadians truly have a pathetic attitude towards freedom and liberty
I don't, but all means perhaps you could elaborate?
Praxius @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:40 pm
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
Did anyone here ever think if the protesters in Iran last month had the right to keep and bear arms.
Always love your country, never trust your Goverment!
Always love your country, never trust your Goverment!
Indeed... where minorities can grab their weapons and gun people down in protest because they didn't get what they wanted.
ridenrain @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:43 pm
Praxius Praxius:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Are you presuming to suggest that you know the law better than the police involved? I'm far more intimidated by bus loads of union stooges than I am of one man with a rifle. The man with a rifle only has one vote where the union goons have many.
Using your Vote is one thing.... Using a Firearm is something totally different.
Was a firearm used in any of these episodes?
Reading even more into this, the mayor and police knew this was going down and were on side with it. I guess the only ones that weren't was the imported goons and the national media.
Praxius @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:52 pm
ridenrain ridenrain:
Was a firearm used in any of these episodes?
Was the Union's vote used in any of these episodes?
.... exactly.
Akhenaten @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:52 pm
$1:
Arming yourself is the highest and purest form of political protest.
Yes but why is it the 'purest form of protest'? (I thought it was for home defense but whatever). Because it's a threat. The threat is revolt. As I said he has the right to bring an assault weapon to the grocery store or to pick up his kids from school but he doesn't bring it there does he? So the idea of bringing a rifle to a protest is to insinuate a threat.
ridenrain @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:00 pm
Praxius Praxius:
ridenrain ridenrain:
Was a firearm used in any of these episodes?
Was the Union's vote used in any of these episodes?
.... exactly.
2 government appointed union thugs arrested for assault.
Who's the dangerous ones again?
BeaverFever @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:14 pm
pro-guners just see these accidents and occasional shooting sprees as the cost of "freedom".
To put a spin on the old Jefferson quote, "the tree of liberty must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants...uh, and also idiots and crazy people, innocent bystanders, stray animals...its actually one of those trees that requires a lot of watering...very little sunshine, but alot of watering and constant loads of fertilizer."
Proculation @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:32 pm
Akhenaten Akhenaten:
$1:
Arming yourself is the highest and purest form of political protest.
Yes but why is it the 'purest form of protest'? (I thought it was for home defense but whatever). Because it's a threat. The threat is revolt. As I said he has the right to bring an assault weapon to the grocery store or to pick up his kids from school but he doesn't bring it there does he? So the idea of bringing a rifle to a protest is to insinuate a threat.
Do you bring protest signs in grocery stores or to pick up your kids ?
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:33 pm
Yep, to protest high prices and bad teachers 
ridenrain @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:46 pm
Here's your dangerous gun owners being asaulted by Obama's union goons.
Who's the danger to democracy again?
Akhenaten @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:49 pm
Proculation Proculation:
Akhenaten Akhenaten:
$1:
Arming yourself is the highest and purest form of political protest.
Yes but why is it the 'purest form of protest'? (I thought it was for home defense but whatever). Because it's a threat. The threat is revolt. As I said he has the right to bring an assault weapon to the grocery store or to pick up his kids from school but he doesn't bring it there does he? So the idea of bringing a rifle to a protest is to insinuate a threat.
Do you bring protest signs in grocery stores or to pick up your kids ?
You might...Does that really answer my point?
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