BREAKING: Big High School Shooting In Florida Today
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Thanos @ Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:51 pm
Guy makes first post in months, wrapped up in an insult, acts like baby because he doesn't get respect in return. Alrighty then.
FieryVulpine @ Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:55 pm
Thanos Thanos:
Guy makes first post in months, wrapped up in an insult, acts like baby because he doesn't get respect in return. Alrighty then.
The only one wailing like an infant is you. It is impossible for me to care less about what you think.
Thanos @ Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:58 pm
But you care enough to start humping my leg anyway. Feels good, man.
FieryVulpine @ Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:03 pm
Thanos Thanos:
Wah! Wah! Waaaaaaaaah!
Sounds like someone needs their diaper changed.
Thanos @ Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:06 pm
The contents of your diaper is the same as the content of your contribution to this thread.
N_Fiddledog @ Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:52 pm
5 Terrible Things the Media Communicates to Every Potential School Shooter
In the coming days, we will hear a familiar profile about the Broward County school shooter. (No, I will not name him, for the reason below.) He was mentally deficient. He was a loner. He expressed violent tendencies. And likely, if the pattern holds, he was prescribed some kind of drugs to control his behavior.
But there is also a media behavioral profile for these situations, and it is perfectly matched to the desires of a deranged person who would like to go out in a blaze of glory.
Here is what the media coverage conveys to every potential shooter out there:
$1:
1. You will be famous
We will not only know your name, we will know you by all three of your names. We will know how you were brought up, your supposed grievances, and why it is our fault that you did what you did. And every time this happens again, you will be referenced as to how you rank in the pantheon of such atrocities.
2. The world will come to a stop for you and talk about nothing else for days
You won’t just be famous, you will be the most important person in the world. CNN will even stop fantasizing about Donald Trump being a Russian sleeper agent for a few days and focus solely on you. In fact, the president will have to comment on you, and we will do our best to blame him for you. Congress and state legislatures will hold special hearings and politicians will propose laws and point to your actions as the reason. What else are you ever going to do in your pathetic life that would make you this prominent?
3. A school is the target that will get you the most attention
Sure, church shootings get attention, and so do Vegas concert shootings—but all the most famous mass shooters, the ones whose names come immediately to mind? They hit schools.
And the media even makes up scary statistics about schools, like the one they are using now about there being 18 school shootings this year alone. And don’t worry that you’re getting lumped in with things like suicide in a car in a school parking lot. Nobody remembers those names. It just shows how eager we are to hype anything that has to do with a gun even coming close to a school.
4. You should use an AR-15; they are the most dangerous and cool
Despite our rush to blame this all on the NRA, we know you aren’t a normal gun owner, collector, sportsman—nor do you know anything, really about guns. (That’s okay, neither do we.)
We know you haven’t done the research on velocity, caliber, reloading ease, or any of those pesky details (like I said, neither have we). We’ll just highlight whatever gun freaks us out the most, the one we will talk about all the time, and let you take it from there. Just know, it will boost your ratings on our notoriety scale, and maybe buy you an extra day or two of coverage.
5. No one will shoot back at you at a school—and we’ll make damned sure it stays that way!
Pssssst. Hey, buddy, did you know schools are Gun Free Zones?
Some gun nuts are trying to change that, but don’t worry. We will mock them for the fanatics they are, and make sure that their effort to, say, have a veteran who works in the school have access to a gun, is shot down as the folly that it is.
We will mock the idea mercilessly—how could more guns mean less violence? Set up a situation for a crossfire?
I mean, how is that even logical? You might get hurt!
But don't worry. It won't happen. We got this.
We will not only know your name, we will know you by all three of your names. We will know how you were brought up, your supposed grievances, and why it is our fault that you did what you did. And every time this happens again, you will be referenced as to how you rank in the pantheon of such atrocities.
2. The world will come to a stop for you and talk about nothing else for days
You won’t just be famous, you will be the most important person in the world. CNN will even stop fantasizing about Donald Trump being a Russian sleeper agent for a few days and focus solely on you. In fact, the president will have to comment on you, and we will do our best to blame him for you. Congress and state legislatures will hold special hearings and politicians will propose laws and point to your actions as the reason. What else are you ever going to do in your pathetic life that would make you this prominent?
3. A school is the target that will get you the most attention
Sure, church shootings get attention, and so do Vegas concert shootings—but all the most famous mass shooters, the ones whose names come immediately to mind? They hit schools.
And the media even makes up scary statistics about schools, like the one they are using now about there being 18 school shootings this year alone. And don’t worry that you’re getting lumped in with things like suicide in a car in a school parking lot. Nobody remembers those names. It just shows how eager we are to hype anything that has to do with a gun even coming close to a school.
4. You should use an AR-15; they are the most dangerous and cool
Despite our rush to blame this all on the NRA, we know you aren’t a normal gun owner, collector, sportsman—nor do you know anything, really about guns. (That’s okay, neither do we.)
We know you haven’t done the research on velocity, caliber, reloading ease, or any of those pesky details (like I said, neither have we). We’ll just highlight whatever gun freaks us out the most, the one we will talk about all the time, and let you take it from there. Just know, it will boost your ratings on our notoriety scale, and maybe buy you an extra day or two of coverage.
5. No one will shoot back at you at a school—and we’ll make damned sure it stays that way!
Pssssst. Hey, buddy, did you know schools are Gun Free Zones?
Some gun nuts are trying to change that, but don’t worry. We will mock them for the fanatics they are, and make sure that their effort to, say, have a veteran who works in the school have access to a gun, is shot down as the folly that it is.
We will mock the idea mercilessly—how could more guns mean less violence? Set up a situation for a crossfire?
I mean, how is that even logical? You might get hurt!
But don't worry. It won't happen. We got this.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/5-things-t ... l-shooter/
Tricks @ Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:55 pm
Whoops.
xerxes @ Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:55 pm
Psst. There was an armed guard at the high school in Parkland. Didn’t matter.
N_Fiddledog @ Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:31 am
AP Admits It Got Duped By White Nationalist
N_Fiddledog @ Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:57 am
xerxes xerxes:
Psst. There was an armed guard at the high school in Parkland. Didn’t matter.
Really? Where was he then?
Here's how it's done when it's done right.
Israel proves the NRA's arguments
$1:
Newsweek praised Israel for obligating its citizens to "show genuine cause to carry a firearm, such as self-defense or hunting". The message is clear: Israel has the right approach in curtailing access to firearms, and the United States would be well advised to tread the same path.
In reality, Israel's gun policy is living proof of the arguments the American gun lobby has been making for years.
Gun rights advocates contend that the way to stop mass shootings is by ensuring that there are always well-armed citizens present who can neutralize the shooter. As NRA chairman Wayne Lapierre always says, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun". A bedrock of the NRA's philosophy is that criminals will always acquire guns illegally, and draconian gun laws only render law-abiding citizens defenseless.
When the knife intifada erupted in September 2015, the Israeli government's response was to ease the process for the civilian populace to obtain weapons.
Enter Israel: When the knife intifada erupted in September 2015, the Israeli government's response was to ease the process for the civilian populace to obtain weapons. After a particularly bloody Jerusalem shooting attack that killed four, then-Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan drastically changed the gun laws in order to significantly raise the number of armed civilians on the streets. Instantly, graduates of Special Forces units and IDF officers with the rank of Lieutenant and above were permitted to purchase guns at their will, security guards were allowed to bring their guns home after work, and the minimum age for a license was reduced from 21 to 18.
Erdan explained that "civilians well trained in the use of weapons provide reinforcement in the struggle against terrorism", while Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat called for every resident to carry a gun, and was even photographed traveling the city carrying a Glock 23.
In addition, the overwhelming majority of terror attacks in Israel are stopped by armed civilians, not law enforcement. For example, the terrorists in the 2016 Sarona market attack were stopped by armed passersby. A pistol-carrying tour guide put an end to the 2017 ramming attack in Arnona that left four soldiers dead.
In Israeli eyes, guns are a valuable deterrent against terrorism. In fact, terrorists have told the Shin Bet internal security service that they often target haredi Jews due to the high likelihood that they are unarmed.
Gun control supporters would answer that the mandatory military service that every Israeli undergoes justifies the trust Israel has of its citizens. However, this argument doesn't hold water. The vast majority of IDF soldiers aren't combat soldiers and are certified as 02 riflemen. To be 02 requires one to shoot between 40 and 70 bullets. The pistol course needed to obtain a license takes less than four hours. It is a far cry from the highly trained population that the Left imagines.
Gun control has been proven to be a dismal failure in Israel. The Israeli Arab communities are rife with illegal weapons, with some police estimates putting the number of unlicensed weapons in the Arab sector as high as 500,000. Think about that for a second: The most heavily guarded borders in the world and a highly professional Shin Bet are still not enough to prevent criminals from obtaining illegal firearms.
When terrorists attacked a school in Maalot in 1974, Israel did not declare every school a gun-free zone. It passed a law mandating armed security in schools, provided weapons training to teachers and today runs frequent active shooter drills. There have been only two school shootings since then, and both have ended with teachers killing the terrorists.
It is an approach that the Americans should take to end the constant slaughter of innocents.
In reality, Israel's gun policy is living proof of the arguments the American gun lobby has been making for years.
Gun rights advocates contend that the way to stop mass shootings is by ensuring that there are always well-armed citizens present who can neutralize the shooter. As NRA chairman Wayne Lapierre always says, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun". A bedrock of the NRA's philosophy is that criminals will always acquire guns illegally, and draconian gun laws only render law-abiding citizens defenseless.
When the knife intifada erupted in September 2015, the Israeli government's response was to ease the process for the civilian populace to obtain weapons.
Enter Israel: When the knife intifada erupted in September 2015, the Israeli government's response was to ease the process for the civilian populace to obtain weapons. After a particularly bloody Jerusalem shooting attack that killed four, then-Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan drastically changed the gun laws in order to significantly raise the number of armed civilians on the streets. Instantly, graduates of Special Forces units and IDF officers with the rank of Lieutenant and above were permitted to purchase guns at their will, security guards were allowed to bring their guns home after work, and the minimum age for a license was reduced from 21 to 18.
Erdan explained that "civilians well trained in the use of weapons provide reinforcement in the struggle against terrorism", while Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat called for every resident to carry a gun, and was even photographed traveling the city carrying a Glock 23.
In addition, the overwhelming majority of terror attacks in Israel are stopped by armed civilians, not law enforcement. For example, the terrorists in the 2016 Sarona market attack were stopped by armed passersby. A pistol-carrying tour guide put an end to the 2017 ramming attack in Arnona that left four soldiers dead.
In Israeli eyes, guns are a valuable deterrent against terrorism. In fact, terrorists have told the Shin Bet internal security service that they often target haredi Jews due to the high likelihood that they are unarmed.
Gun control supporters would answer that the mandatory military service that every Israeli undergoes justifies the trust Israel has of its citizens. However, this argument doesn't hold water. The vast majority of IDF soldiers aren't combat soldiers and are certified as 02 riflemen. To be 02 requires one to shoot between 40 and 70 bullets. The pistol course needed to obtain a license takes less than four hours. It is a far cry from the highly trained population that the Left imagines.
Gun control has been proven to be a dismal failure in Israel. The Israeli Arab communities are rife with illegal weapons, with some police estimates putting the number of unlicensed weapons in the Arab sector as high as 500,000. Think about that for a second: The most heavily guarded borders in the world and a highly professional Shin Bet are still not enough to prevent criminals from obtaining illegal firearms.
When terrorists attacked a school in Maalot in 1974, Israel did not declare every school a gun-free zone. It passed a law mandating armed security in schools, provided weapons training to teachers and today runs frequent active shooter drills. There have been only two school shootings since then, and both have ended with teachers killing the terrorists.
It is an approach that the Americans should take to end the constant slaughter of innocents.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Arti ... aspx/21714
Meanwhile in Texas:
Jabberwalker @ Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:12 am
Meanwhile, Texas has become a dysfunctional hell-hole where armed guards,ready to kill, have to patrol campuses.
Thanos @ Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:43 am
Israeli society also isn't deeply mentally ill on a collective level the way the one in the United States has become.
martin14 @ Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:29 am
Thanos Thanos:
Israeli society also isn't deeply mentally ill on a collective level the way the one in the United States has become.
Only because the Israelis have a definable enemy to fight.
People in the US are just reacting to too much drugs, and too much packed like rats.
Jabberwalker @ Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:13 am
martin14 martin14:
Thanos Thanos:
Israeli society also isn't deeply mentally ill on a collective level the way the one in the United States has become.
Only because the Israelis have a definable enemy to fight.
People in the US are just reacting to too much drugs, and too much packed like rats.
The Israelis cannot allow themselves to become dumb-downed stupid as the Americans have. They've seen the consequences of letting one's guard down and a lot of them never had any grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins. It all came so easily to the Americans that they see themselves as being "special".
Freakinoldguy @ Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:09 am
Tricks Tricks:
Whoops.
That last tweet you posted is somewhat true but it certainly doesn't reflect the reality of its claim.
Even if Trump hadn't revoked the ban it would have made little difference in this or a myriad of other mass shooting cases for the simple reason that the shooters weren't on any list. Come to think about it the only recent shooting case that might have been prevented by this list was the Devon Patrick Kelley shooting in Texas and even that was a maybe because of the way the Military, Gov't and Police forces handled their information sharing.
If Snopes is to be believed the Obama rule would have only affected people receiving mental health benefits from the federal gov't a fact which meant that just 75 thousand people could have been prevented from "legally" acquiring firearms. Not alot of people in a country of 323 million and certainly not the shooter in this case.
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CLAIM
President Trump signed a bill blocking Obama-era background checks on guns for people with mental illnesses.
RATING
MOSTLY TRUE
ORIGIN
In the wake of a horrific school shooting in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead in February 2018, media renewed focus on an Obama-era regulation repealed in the early months of the Trump administration. That rule would have given the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which is used for gun sales, access to Social Security Administration data including the names of individuals receiving certain federal mental health benefits.
As we explained in a 17 February 2017 post, this rule — which never went into effect before being rescinded — did not change any existing laws regulating who is allowed to purchase guns. It merely would have provided a new way to enforce existing restrictions on gun sales by allowing a transfer of information from one agency to another. There are now, and have been for some time, laws that seek to limit gun sales to anyone “who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution” per Title 18 section 922(g) of the United States Code. However, according to the Associated Press:
The Obama rule would have prevented an estimated 75,000 people with mental disorders from being able to purchase a firearm. It was crafted as part of Obama’s efforts to strengthen the federal background check system in the wake of the 2012 massacre of 20 young students and six staff at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
The rule was rescinded using a legal procedure called the the Congressional Review Act, which, prior to the Trump Administration, was obscure and little-used. It allows regulations passed in the final days of one administration to be rescinded with a simple majority vote in both chambers of Congress during the first 60 days of a new administration. The Senate sent their repeal of the Obama-era measure for Trump’s signature on 15 February 2017 — a year and a day before the Parkland shooting — and Trump signed it into law the next week, on 28 February 2017.
While the law did not change who is required to be the subject of background checks, it is true that Trump signed into law the repeal of a measure that would have plausibly prevented certain classes of mentally ill people from purchasing firearms by allowing a new data source to be included the system that runs those background checks. As such we rank the claim mostly true.
President Trump signed a bill blocking Obama-era background checks on guns for people with mental illnesses.
RATING
MOSTLY TRUE
ORIGIN
In the wake of a horrific school shooting in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead in February 2018, media renewed focus on an Obama-era regulation repealed in the early months of the Trump administration. That rule would have given the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which is used for gun sales, access to Social Security Administration data including the names of individuals receiving certain federal mental health benefits.
As we explained in a 17 February 2017 post, this rule — which never went into effect before being rescinded — did not change any existing laws regulating who is allowed to purchase guns. It merely would have provided a new way to enforce existing restrictions on gun sales by allowing a transfer of information from one agency to another. There are now, and have been for some time, laws that seek to limit gun sales to anyone “who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution” per Title 18 section 922(g) of the United States Code. However, according to the Associated Press:
The Obama rule would have prevented an estimated 75,000 people with mental disorders from being able to purchase a firearm. It was crafted as part of Obama’s efforts to strengthen the federal background check system in the wake of the 2012 massacre of 20 young students and six staff at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
The rule was rescinded using a legal procedure called the the Congressional Review Act, which, prior to the Trump Administration, was obscure and little-used. It allows regulations passed in the final days of one administration to be rescinded with a simple majority vote in both chambers of Congress during the first 60 days of a new administration. The Senate sent their repeal of the Obama-era measure for Trump’s signature on 15 February 2017 — a year and a day before the Parkland shooting — and Trump signed it into law the next week, on 28 February 2017.
While the law did not change who is required to be the subject of background checks, it is true that Trump signed into law the repeal of a measure that would have plausibly prevented certain classes of mentally ill people from purchasing firearms by allowing a new data source to be included the system that runs those background checks. As such we rank the claim mostly true.
https://www.snopes.com/trump-sign-bill- ... illnesses/
Besides never being put into effect the Obama rule would have been open to interpretation and abuse and likely wouldn't have prevented alot of shootings because these people don't show up on the gov'ts radar prior to acting.
So, there has to be a better way of figuring out who's going off the rails and how to stop them before they act because nobody and no laws are going to stop the possession and illegal use of the hundreds of millions of weapons, both registered and unregistered down there.
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