Call for First Nations-focused secondary school in Vancouver
Curtman @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:21 pm
andyt andyt:
So they'll be taught the dream that a small minority of Canadians are the only real Canadians and they're going to determine the culture. That'll never happen in real life, they might as well accept the fact and learn to integrate.
I think it's hilarious that anyone would be frightened by this.
http://www.wsd1.org/cote/welcome.html
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Welcome to Children of the Earth High School, Where our Students' Spirits Soar...
At Children of the Earth we strive to incorporate Aboriginal values and perspectives into our everyday lives. We believe in a holistic approach to education that integrates the physical, academic, social and spiritual well being of our students. We recognize that our students have attitudes, desires and abilities that differ widely and that changing times present new challenges and demands. Hence, we believe that the basic purpose of education is to provide a pathway through which each individual may realize self-respect, self-fulfilment and their relevance in a dynamic society.
The pedagogy promoted at our school is culturally based, flexible and centred on the needs of the students. Our enrichment of current Manitoba Curricula to incorporate the Aboriginal Perspective works to strengthen both Canada and Aboriginal societies, as Peoples from the Four Directions learn how to work together in an honest, respectful, peaceful and trusting way on their mutual and distinct social goals.
You are more than welcome to browse through our programs and e-mail us your comments.
At Children of the Earth we strive to incorporate Aboriginal values and perspectives into our everyday lives. We believe in a holistic approach to education that integrates the physical, academic, social and spiritual well being of our students. We recognize that our students have attitudes, desires and abilities that differ widely and that changing times present new challenges and demands. Hence, we believe that the basic purpose of education is to provide a pathway through which each individual may realize self-respect, self-fulfilment and their relevance in a dynamic society.
The pedagogy promoted at our school is culturally based, flexible and centred on the needs of the students. Our enrichment of current Manitoba Curricula to incorporate the Aboriginal Perspective works to strengthen both Canada and Aboriginal societies, as Peoples from the Four Directions learn how to work together in an honest, respectful, peaceful and trusting way on their mutual and distinct social goals.
You are more than welcome to browse through our programs and e-mail us your comments.
OH NO!!! It's already happening!
Hahah
Mustang1 @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:24 pm
andyt andyt:
I agree that the history we teach in school should be inclusive of pre-settler times. Non-natives should be learning that stuff as well as Natives. And spend more time in studying the impact of the Europeans on Natives. But to say that the history of Europeans in Canada is "someone else's history" is also bullshit. The arrival of Europeans had a wee impact on the Natives. And we all live in Canada, not in a patchwork of Native and non-Native 'nations'.
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The history that has been taught in secondary and post-secondary (at least in Ontario) HAS been inclusive, balanced, and in many ways, has over-represented Native studies in the curriculum. It's been this way for over 15 years.
Mustang1 @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:25 pm
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
If you've gone through the Canadian school system you should know that there is almost no mention of what happened before Europeans arrived. History is basically all about the settlers, the political dynasties of Europe, and Canada's involvement in European wars.
It hasn't been that way in Ontario for years (elementary, secondary and post-secondary). Movin' on.
andyt @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:39 pm
Curtman Curtman:
I think it's hilarious that anyone would be frightened by this.
http://www.wsd1.org/cote/welcome.html
OH NO!!! It's already happening!
Hahah
http://www.wsd1.org/cote/welcome.html
OH NO!!! It's already happening!
Hahah
Sure it is. Let em. just don't come whining when that schooling doesn't prepared them to get a regular job that it's because of racism. Or that they need specially lowered standards to get into university. Or all the other excuses. There are orthodox Jewish schools that don't prepare their people for a regular life in modern society either. The diff is that they are happy with that, are supported by their people and don't go complaining that they can't get ahead because of racism.
Curtman @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:44 pm
andyt andyt:
Curtman Curtman:
I think it's hilarious that anyone would be frightened by this.
http://www.wsd1.org/cote/welcome.html
OH NO!!! It's already happening!
Hahah
http://www.wsd1.org/cote/welcome.html
OH NO!!! It's already happening!
Hahah
Sure it is. Let em. just don't come whining when that schooling doesn't prepared them to get a regular job that it's because of racism. Or that they need specially lowered standards to get into university. Or all the other excuses. There are orthodox Jewish schools that don't prepare their people for a regular life in modern society either. The diff is that they are happy with that, are supported by their people and don't go complaining that they can't get ahead because of racism.
Yeah, with their crazy subject matter like:
"Consumer Mathematics". And mumbo-jumbo such as "Pre-Calculus Mathematics".
How will they ever compete in the world?
andyt @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:49 pm
As the story this topic is about itself asks, why, out of all the ethnic groups in Canada is it Natives that need a segregated school? What's your answer?
In the story it seemed to be that this is all native land - ie the usual victim crap. If that's what's being taught in those schools, then the students will always be about getting more from the white man, how we owe them and it's never enough. Not a good way to learn to stand on your own two feet. Just maintain that dependency trap.
Curtman @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:05 pm
andyt andyt:
As the story this topic is about itself asks, why, out of all the ethnic groups in Canada is it Natives that need a segregated school? What's your answer?
In the story it seemed to be that this is all native land - ie the usual victim crap. If that's what's being taught in those schools, then the students will always be about getting more from the white man, how we owe them and it's never enough. Not a good way to learn to stand on your own two feet. Just maintain that dependency trap.
In the story it seemed to be that this is all native land - ie the usual victim crap. If that's what's being taught in those schools, then the students will always be about getting more from the white man, how we owe them and it's never enough. Not a good way to learn to stand on your own two feet. Just maintain that dependency trap.
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Less than 48 per cent of aboriginal students in B.C. finish high school, compared to about 60 per cent of non-natives. There are roughly 2,000 aboriginal students in the Vancouver school district, and according to the school board’s District Plan for Student Learning 2010/11, aboriginal students have “minimal academic success, low levels of participation and [a] low graduation rate.
Children of the Earth boasts about a 74% graduation rate here, better than most non-private schools in general. If it helps kids stay in school, and the courses cover the curriculum of the province why would you oppose that? As far as I know they don't do any DNA testing for admission.
andyt @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:14 pm
I oppose because it makes no sense that natives are somehow different than all other ethnic groups and need spatial schools to make it. Why? Maybe they have such a higher graduation rate because the curriculum is dumbed down. Maybe they believe even less in failing students who do unsatisfactory work than mainstream schools already do - making any and every excuse to pass the kid even if they haven learned anything. Maybe it's easier for natives to feel included in a native school, but doesn't prepare them for the big wide world where they are a small minority, so they just remain on their hopeless reserves as adults. A higher graduation grade that sends out students that are not prepared for the adult, mainstream world isn't worth much.
At some point, if natives want the mod cons that the rest of Canadians enjoy, and want real jobs, not bullshit ones on their reserves or for the federal government, then at some point they are going to have to take the plunge and integrate with the rest of us. And these types of schools don't help that one bit.
sandorski @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:17 pm
I wish we had Spatial Ed when I went to school...
andyt @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:21 pm
sandorski sandorski:
I wish we had Spatial Ed when I went to school...
They did when I went to school - the kids that came in the short bus. I believe now they integrate them into the class room. If kids developmental difficulties need to be integrated, why do natives need to be segregated.
Thanos @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:21 pm
After the grifter-plagued debacle that happened with their Native studies college in Saskatchewan I'm thinking that every other Native-centric education program elsewhere should be government supervised and regulated about a thousand times more than the ones in the public systems are.
Curtman @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:35 pm
andyt andyt:
I oppose because it makes no sense that natives are somehow different than all other ethnic groups and need spatial schools to make it. Why? Maybe they have such a higher graduation rate because the curriculum is dumbed down. Maybe they believe even less in failing students who do unsatisfactory work than mainstream schools already do - making any and every excuse to pass the kid even if they haven learned anything. Maybe it's easier for natives to feel included in a native school, but doesn't prepare them for the big wide world where they are a small minority, so they just remain on their hopeless reserves as adults. A higher graduation grade that sends out students that are not prepared for the adult, mainstream world isn't worth much.
At some point, if natives want the mod cons that the rest of Canadians enjoy, and want real jobs, not bullshit ones on their reserves or for the federal government, then at some point they are going to have to take the plunge and integrate with the rest of us. And these types of schools don't help that one bit.
At some point, if natives want the mod cons that the rest of Canadians enjoy, and want real jobs, not bullshit ones on their reserves or for the federal government, then at some point they are going to have to take the plunge and integrate with the rest of us. And these types of schools don't help that one bit.
Why would a graduate of COTE be less prepared for daily life than a graduate of St. Paul's High School?
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St Paul's High School is an independent, Catholic, grades 9-12 university preparatory school for young men. Founded in 1926, it has operated since 1931 by the Upper Canada Province of the Society of Jesus, a religious order of priests and brothers, also known as the Jesuits.
A Jesuit education seeks to transform how youth look at themselves and other human beings, at social systems and societal structures, at the global community of humankind and the whole of natural creation.
A Jesuit education seeks to transform how youth look at themselves and other human beings, at social systems and societal structures, at the global community of humankind and the whole of natural creation.
If someone wants to go to a school with a sweat lodge, and they are more successful because of it, I say go for it.
andyt @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:42 pm
I'm not in favor of religious schools either. But, again, let em do what they want. I do object to my tax dollars going to private schools, and I object to the public schools having segregated schools as well. Let em go, but let em pay for it themselves.
Barilko @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:38 pm
Thanos Thanos:
After the grifter-plagued debacle that happened with their Native studies college in Saskatchewan I'm thinking that every other Native-centric education program elsewhere should be government supervised and regulated about a thousand times more than the ones in the public systems are.
That was ugly almost beyond belief-has anyone gone to prison for that thievery?
So many Natives now live in cities compared to even 20 years ago it's amazing-reserves seemed to have emptied out.
Of course anyone who's spent time on a reserve knows why people leave and never go back-most are unrequited shitholes have to be seen to be believed.
So a person has to credit school admins with trying to address the issue but I think that it's too little too late-much of the culture has been homogenised to the point that it's little more than a caricature.
Thanos @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:44 pm
The last I looked the worst of the crooks had been kicked out of the college. But that doesn't change the fact that what started out as a well-run school got turned into the usual Native Mafia circus because they were allowed, without any questioning at all as to why, to kick out all the non-Native (i.e. white) managers and administrators. If someone in the (then NDP) Saskatchewan government had stood up to them then, instead of doing the usual chickenshit routine out of fear of being called racists, that disaster at that school never would have happened at all.