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Call for First Nations-focused secondary school in Vancouver

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Curtman @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:40 am

Yogi Yogi:
I wasn't given the choice to 'opt out' of the core subjects'. Math, science, language arts, social studies, reading skills.
...
But a school 'for natives' which core subjects would be The Importance of the eagle feather, Rain dancing according to 'the masters' and History According to Louis Riel... well, that is quite another matter!


Where is that proposal? The article doesn't say anything at all about removing math, science, language arts, social studies, and reading skills.

It does sound scary when you start making things up though.

   



andyt @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:59 am

Curtman Curtman:

You're against French immersion school too? I'll agree with the funding idea though. Those religious schools have been sucking up tax dollars like judgement day was coming.


French immersion is the one spatial program I have no problem with. Nothing wrong with students learning the other official language, since they'll be learning English at home. But this is native immersion for natives - it doesn't really make any sense. If I was a devout Sikh parent, I would be asking that we also set up spatial schools for Sikhs.

   



Zipperfish @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:02 am

EyeBrock EyeBrock:
I think any idea that helps kids graduate and become more productive Canadians is worth a go. We have Federally and Provincially funded programs for immigrants, I think we should at least consider something more focussed for Aboriginal Canadians.

The big problem with any of this stuff is that corrupt and ineffectual Aboriginal leaders will try and ‘administer’ this program and it will become political and be all about ‘get off our land’ and 'we want more cash'.

Natives have to stop the victim culture in it’s tracks. Any educational program will need to be run by a third-party agency if it is to have the slightest chance at success.

The aboriginals have proved over and over again that they don’t have the organisational skill-set to run something like this. Let’s fund it with cash destined for the numerous $500,000 a year ‘chiefs’ and run it properly.

Education is the only way that our Aboriginals will get out of the gutter of dependency on welfare and tribal fiefdoms.


+1. My thoughts exactly. Although I'd add that as well as education, fundamental legislative changes are required--most notably reforming the racist Indian Act. This idea that you're a member of a First Nation if you meet the test of genetic purity is archaic and destructive.

   



andyt @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:05 am

Curtman Curtman:
Yogi Yogi:
I wasn't given the choice to 'opt out' of the core subjects'. Math, science, language arts, social studies, reading skills.
...
But a school 'for natives' which core subjects would be The Importance of the eagle feather, Rain dancing according to 'the masters' and History According to Louis Riel... well, that is quite another matter!


Where is that proposal? The article doesn't say anything at all about removing math, science, language arts, social studies, and reading skills.

It does sound scary when you start making things up though.


So if the curriculum is not different than the regular one, what is the point of this program? Just so native kids won't be exposed to the shock of going to school with non-natives? And that they can be taught that the school is on stolen native land and if they whine loud enough, one day the evil white man will just leave and give it all back to them?

   



Yogi @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:14 am

Curtman Curtman:
Yogi Yogi:
I wasn't given the choice to 'opt out' of the core subjects'. Math, science, language arts, social studies, reading skills.
...
But a school 'for natives' which core subjects would be The Importance of the eagle feather, Rain dancing according to 'the masters' and History According to Louis Riel... well, that is quite another matter!


Where is that proposal? The article doesn't say anything at all about removing math, science, language arts, social studies, and reading skills.

It does sound scary when you start making things up though.




“We already make a distinction between aboriginal and non-aboriginal students,� she said, adding the district runs aboriginal education programs and receives government funding to do so.


Who is making up what?

   



Curtman @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:21 am

Yogi Yogi:
Curtman Curtman:
Yogi Yogi:
I wasn't given the choice to 'opt out' of the core subjects'. Math, science, language arts, social studies, reading skills.
...
But a school 'for natives' which core subjects would be The Importance of the eagle feather, Rain dancing according to 'the masters' and History According to Louis Riel... well, that is quite another matter!


Where is that proposal? The article doesn't say anything at all about removing math, science, language arts, social studies, and reading skills.

It does sound scary when you start making things up though.




“We already make a distinction between aboriginal and non-aboriginal students,� she said, adding the district runs aboriginal education programs and receives government funding to do so.


Who is making up what?


You are. You mentioned that they would be removing core subjects like math and science. I'm curious how they will avoid teaching the provincial curriculum, and where that idea came from.

   



Yogi @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:35 am

Curtman Curtman:
Yogi Yogi:
Curtman Curtman:
I wasn't given the choice to 'opt out' of the core subjects'. Math, science, language arts, social studies, reading skills.
...
But a school 'for natives' which core subjects would be The Importance of the eagle feather, Rain dancing according to 'the masters' and History According to Louis Riel... well, that is quite another matter!


Where is that proposal? The article doesn't say anything at all about removing math, science, language arts, social studies, and reading skills.

It does sound scary when you start making things up though.




“We already make a distinction between aboriginal and non-aboriginal students,� she said, adding the district runs aboriginal education programs and receives government funding to do so.




Who is making up what?


You are. You mentioned that they would be removing core subjects like math and science. I'm curious how they will avoid teaching the provincial curriculum, and where that idea came from.[/quote]

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Show me where I said anything of the sort!

   



Curtman @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:02 am

Yogi Yogi:
Show me where I said anything of the sort!


Yogi Yogi:
And that is the whole crux of the issue! A school foucused soley on the 'native traditions' is only going to breed more of the same businesss ignorance! As you pointed out EB, is the 'native way'. And look where it has gotten the majority. When I attended high school, I wasn't given the choice to 'opt out' of the core subjects'. Math, science, language arts, social studies, reading skills. I was also required to take at least three electives. Of which, if memory serves me, included, arts, automotive, shop, home ec, drafting,photography. Now, if the school wants to add Native Traditions, as an elective also, I don't have any problem with that, and I don't think anyone else would either. But a school 'for natives' which core subjects would be The Importance of the eagle feather, Rain dancing according to 'the masters' and History According to Louis Riel... well, that is quite another matter!


That wasn't you?

   



PublicAnimalNo9 @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:13 am

Curtman Curtman:
Yogi Yogi:
Show me where I said anything of the sort!


Yogi Yogi:
And that is the whole crux of the issue! A school foucused soley on the 'native traditions' is only going to breed more of the same businesss ignorance! As you pointed out EB, is the 'native way'. And look where it has gotten the majority. When I attended high school, I wasn't given the choice to 'opt out' of the core subjects'. Math, science, language arts, social studies, reading skills. I was also required to take at least three electives. Of which, if memory serves me, included, arts, automotive, shop, home ec, drafting,photography. Now, if the school wants to add Native Traditions, as an elective also, I don't have any problem with that, and I don't think anyone else would either. But a school 'for natives' which core subjects would be The Importance of the eagle feather, Rain dancing according to 'the masters' and History According to Louis Riel... well, that is quite another matter!


That wasn't you?

Ummm an individual opting out of a course and having the system remove it are two entirely different animals :roll:

   



Curtman @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:16 am

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Ummm an individual opting out of a course and having the system remove it are two entirely different animals :roll:


The article doesn't mention opting out or removing them. That's why I asked where the idea came from.

   



Yogi @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:37 am

Curtman Curtman:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Ummm an individual opting out of a course and having the system remove it are two entirely different animals :roll:


The article doesn't mention opting out or removing them. That's why I asked where the idea came from.



SHOW ME where I stated that any subject was going to be REMOVED!
I did however, and am of the understanding that, the FOCUS will be on native traditions RATHER THAN ON THE '5' CORE SUBJECTS!

   



GreenTiger @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:41 am

andyt andyt:
"We're Natives. We're genetically incapable of learning the white man's way. And we don't need to learn no stinking white man's knowledge anyway. All we need to know in English is 'give us more money, because we're victims for ever' and we can hire white men to do everything else for us. Then we'll be able to live in our traditional way."

If natives need a spatial school because of their culture, why aren't we also building spatial schools for each ethnic immigrant group. I mean we shouldn't be forcing our Eurocentric viewpoints down their throats either, making them learn English and stuff. Let's just rename ourselves Bantunada and have a separate homeland for each ethnic, religious, linguistic, gender, sexual orientation, eye color...group.


That is about it. This "give us more money" stuff is there traditional way.

   



Curtman @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:46 am

Yogi Yogi:
I did however, and am of the understanding that, the FOCUS will be on native traditions RATHER THAN ON THE '5' CORE SUBJECTS!


I see. You were just mentioning as an irrelevant sidebar that you didn't have the option of opting out of the curriculum. You didn't mean to imply that the 5 core subjects would suffer as a result?

   



Yogi @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:54 am

As I, and everyone else here is well aware, and as you also noted. the 5 core subjects, MUST be taught at aevery Canadian school. most schools however, make the core subjects the FOCUS of education. What the 'learned minds' in the article are sujesting, is that native traditions become the focus of education. How the hell is that supposed to help anyone succeed in todays business world? We have already seen how a 'lack of whiteman's education' has enabled the native Elders to bring their people and reseves forward!

   



Curtman @ Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:07 pm

Yogi Yogi:
As I, and everyone else here is well aware, and as you also noted. the 5 core subjects, MUST be taught at aevery Canadian school. most schools however, make the core subjects the FOCUS of education. What the 'learned minds' in the article are sujesting, is that native traditions become the focus of education. How the hell is that supposed to help anyone succeed in todays business world? We have already seen how a 'lack of whiteman's education' has enabled the native Elders to bring their people and reseves forward!


Well, it seems to be very successful here.

Inner-city school wins national award
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TONI Truthwaite had trouble getting up for school and had little interest in her classes -- now she wants to go to university and become a nurse or midwife.

The Grade 11 student at Children of the Earth High School is one of the dozens of reasons that the inner city, aboriginal high school has won a national award for innovative teaching and learning.

Children of the Earth principal Lorne Belmore finds himself with a lot of kids like Truthwaite these days -- they're taking pre-calculus and physics, subjects they would likely have avoided, and setting their sights on health care careers they previously would not have considered, said Belmore.

Wednesday, Belmore and a couple dozen of his students, some dressed in hospital scrubs, received the Canadian Education Association's Ken Spencer Award for Innovative Teaching and Learning.

It's the third year for a groundbreaking program that puts COTE students into the Pan Am Clinic as interns, getting front-line, hands-on experience and exposure to the full range of health-care careers.

"It demystifies medicine for our students. They too can have a career in any number of medical fields," Belmore said.

"It is making effective change in inner city aboriginal students' lives.

"It's an opportunity we haven't seen anywhere in the country," he said.


I would like to understand the rational for the opposition to this idea here, but I'm not sure I would like it.

   



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