Call for First Nations-focused secondary school in Vancouver
Newsbot @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:28 am
Title: Call for First Nations-focused secondary school in Vancouver
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: Canuckism
Date: 2011-01-29 15:14:20
Canadian
Curtman @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:28 am
The Province seems to have removed this story. I found a copy here:
CALL FOR ABORIGINAL-FOCUSED SECONDARY SCHOOL IN VANCOUVER
Canuckism @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:38 pm
Weird that they would remove it.
Guy_Fawkes @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:56 pm
Maybe there are some errors in the story.
sandorski @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:05 pm
If it helps get the Graduation rate up, it's a good idea.
Yogi @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:07 pm
Another case of natives looking for excuses! Always wanting to be treated special!
martin14 @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:18 pm
Yogi Yogi:
Another case of natives looking for excuses! Always wanting to be treated special!
Agreed, it's a bad idea.
Teaching them pemmican 101 wont help them get a job in the real world.
sandorski @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:51 pm
Yogi Yogi:
Another case of natives looking for excuses! Always wanting to be treated special!
negative and stupid.
CommanderSock @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:04 pm
martin14 martin14:
Yogi Yogi:
Another case of natives looking for excuses! Always wanting to be treated special!
Agreed, it's a bad idea.
Teaching them pemmican 101 wont help them get a job in the real world.
Teaching them about their own history will increase their awareness and help them cement a place in Canadian society.
If you've gone through the Canadian school system you should know that there is almost no mention of what happened before Europeans arrived. History is basically all about the settlers, the political dynasties of Europe, and Canada's involvement in European wars.
Even residential schools were barely mentioned.
Obviously teaching them maths and sciences will go without saying, it's mostly the soft courses that are too Eurocentric to interest native children. To them, it's someone else's history.
andyt @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:06 pm
"We're Natives. We're genetically incapable of learning the white man's way. And we don't need to learn no stinking white man's knowledge anyway. All we need to know in English is 'give us more money, because we're victims for ever' and we can hire white men to do everything else for us. Then we'll be able to live in our traditional way."
If natives need a spatial school because of their culture, why aren't we also building spatial schools for each ethnic immigrant group. I mean we shouldn't be forcing our Eurocentric viewpoints down their throats either, making them learn English and stuff. Let's just rename ourselves Bantunada and have a separate homeland for each ethnic, religious, linguistic, gender, sexual orientation, eye color...group.
martin14 @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:12 pm
While quoting my post, Sock, I dont think you read it.
I see no point in teaching kids a bunch of stuff that, since the majority
population don't know ( and I'll add don't care ), these students
will not be properly prepared for the outside world.
Further, 'special' schools will always seek to continue their special
status, using excuses to lower standards, creating high diplomas that
do not reflect a Canadian high school education.
Put on an aboriginal history course, no problem.
A separate school, which segregates students, and creates yet another subculture
that cannot integrate... no thanks.
'Culture' should be learned at home.
andyt @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:32 pm
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
If you've gone through the Canadian school system you should know that there is almost no mention of what happened before Europeans arrived. History is basically all about the settlers, the political dynasties of Europe, and Canada's involvement in European wars.
Even residential schools were barely mentioned.
Obviously teaching them maths and sciences will go without saying, it's mostly the soft courses that are too Eurocentric to interest native children. To them, it's someone else's history.
I agree that the history we teach in school should be inclusive of pre-settler times. Non-natives should be learning that stuff as well as Natives. And spend more time in studying the impact of the Europeans on Natives. But to say that the history of Europeans in Canada is "someone else's history" is also bullshit. The arrival of Europeans had a wee impact on the Natives. And we all live in Canada, not in a patchwork of Native and non-Native 'nations'.
Natives should assimilate into mainstream Canadian culture, the same we expect the immigrants to do. Nobody is saying give you your own history and traditions. But if you want to make it in the modern world, you'd better also learn how to function in it, not just stand there with your hand out.
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:47 pm
Besides, it's friggin' high school. Learned a LOT of history in high school that was "someone else's history" 
Curtman @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:51 pm
martin14 martin14:
While quoting my post, Sock, I dont think you read it.
I see no point in teaching kids a bunch of stuff that, since the majority
population don't know ( and I'll add don't care ), these students
will not be properly prepared for the outside world.
Further, 'special' schools will always seek to continue their special
status, using excuses to lower standards, creating high diplomas that
do not reflect a Canadian high school education.
Put on an aboriginal history course, no problem.
A separate school, which segregates students, and creates yet another subculture
that cannot integrate... no thanks.
'Culture' should be learned at home.
I see no point in teaching kids a bunch of stuff that, since the majority
population don't know ( and I'll add don't care ), these students
will not be properly prepared for the outside world.
Further, 'special' schools will always seek to continue their special
status, using excuses to lower standards, creating high diplomas that
do not reflect a Canadian high school education.
Put on an aboriginal history course, no problem.
A separate school, which segregates students, and creates yet another subculture
that cannot integrate... no thanks.
'Culture' should be learned at home.
Just wondering.. Does this apply to Kinderschule too?
$1:
Kinderschule was founded by a group of parents in 1987 so that their children could be exposed to the German language at an early age.
We were the first German-English bilingual pre-school established in Manitoba in over 25 years. We are proud to maintain an excellent child/teacher ratio. We are not associated with any religious group or faith-based organization. While we are part of the German-speaking community in general, we are not affiliated with any specific groups, and welcome participation from families of all backgrounds, including those with no previous experience with the German language.
Kinderschule employs bilingual teachers, who instruct with the utmost in professionalism.
Our programs focus on the social, emotional, cognitive and physical development of the child, while encouraging German language skills.
We were the first German-English bilingual pre-school established in Manitoba in over 25 years. We are proud to maintain an excellent child/teacher ratio. We are not associated with any religious group or faith-based organization. While we are part of the German-speaking community in general, we are not affiliated with any specific groups, and welcome participation from families of all backgrounds, including those with no previous experience with the German language.
Kinderschule employs bilingual teachers, who instruct with the utmost in professionalism.
Our programs focus on the social, emotional, cognitive and physical development of the child, while encouraging German language skills.
andyt @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:07 pm
Curtman Curtman:
Just wondering.. Does this apply to Kinderschule too?
$1:
Kinderschule was founded by a group of parents in 1987 so that their children could be exposed to the German language at an early age.
We were the first German-English bilingual pre-school established in Manitoba in over 25 years. We are proud to maintain an excellent child/teacher ratio. We are not associated with any religious group or faith-based organization. While we are part of the German-speaking community in general, we are not affiliated with any specific groups, and welcome participation from families of all backgrounds, including those with no previous experience with the German language.
Kinderschule employs bilingual teachers, who instruct with the utmost in professionalism.
Our programs focus on the social, emotional, cognitive and physical development of the child, while encouraging German language skills.
We were the first German-English bilingual pre-school established in Manitoba in over 25 years. We are proud to maintain an excellent child/teacher ratio. We are not associated with any religious group or faith-based organization. While we are part of the German-speaking community in general, we are not affiliated with any specific groups, and welcome participation from families of all backgrounds, including those with no previous experience with the German language.
Kinderschule employs bilingual teachers, who instruct with the utmost in professionalism.
Our programs focus on the social, emotional, cognitive and physical development of the child, while encouraging German language skills.
It's a German pre-school. They're not going thru grade 12 learning only German, and only German History, (because Canadian history is someone else's history) and Lederhosen construction and Bratwurst cooking instead of Math and Science and English.
What the natives will learn at that school is
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the fact that Vancouver’s schools are essentially on First Nations land and yet the kind of education that goes on doesn’t really recognize that. You can see segregation already happening,� he said. “[An aboriginal school] could be un-segregating.�
So they'll be taught the dream that a small minority of Canadians are the only real Canadians and they're going to determine the culture. That'll never happen in real life, they might as well accept the fact and learn to integrate.I have no problem with kids going to extra school to learn about their culture. We have that for Jews, and I would guess Muslims and Chinese as well. What I don't agree with are segregated schools, and that includes the Jewish fundamentalist schools, any Muslim schools like that if there are any, etc.