Dutch cabinet collapses in dispute over Afghanistan
bootlegga @ Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:48 pm
andyt andyt:
I believe some countries make you renounce your former citizenship before allowing you to become their citizen, - I don't know what Canada's position on that would be.
I can see how it would be a hard choice - having to give up the citizenship of the country you were born in. But I keep coming back to this topic, because as I say, I raved a lot about Asians seeming to identify more with their homeland than with Canada. I don't think that's a good thing for Canada. I'm way less concerned with someone like you, who comes from a European country - our culture is way more similar. But, fair's fair. I've never been happy about the Europeans who live here all their lives, but never take out citizenship. I think when you emigrate, you should adopt the country you're moving to as your new homeland.
Bart seemed to be serious about the scenario about a newly militarized Europe coming over here to take our resources. Presumably the Dutch would be in on that fiendish plot, so you'd have to figure out where your loyalty stands - before we put all European pr's in camps.
Oh, note the word permanent. If someone is here permanently, shouldn't they show they're serious and take out citizenship?
I can see how it would be a hard choice - having to give up the citizenship of the country you were born in. But I keep coming back to this topic, because as I say, I raved a lot about Asians seeming to identify more with their homeland than with Canada. I don't think that's a good thing for Canada. I'm way less concerned with someone like you, who comes from a European country - our culture is way more similar. But, fair's fair. I've never been happy about the Europeans who live here all their lives, but never take out citizenship. I think when you emigrate, you should adopt the country you're moving to as your new homeland.
Bart seemed to be serious about the scenario about a newly militarized Europe coming over here to take our resources. Presumably the Dutch would be in on that fiendish plot, so you'd have to figure out where your loyalty stands - before we put all European pr's in camps.
Oh, note the word permanent. If someone is here permanently, shouldn't they show they're serious and take out citizenship?
Asians aren't the only 1st generation immigrants who refuse to assimilate. Edmonton is full of Ukrainians, Polish, and Italians who all still speak their own language, hang out with each other, inter-marry, etc. Other cities around the country have their own little enclaves of other immigrants as well.
No, the 'battle' is for the 2nd generation, and by far most of them fully assimilate and become 'Canadians' as you seem to define it.
BartSimpson @ Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:06 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
hell, I got my SIN card when I was in Gr. 8 and lost it the next year. I just have it memorized(having to say it in a room full of CS gas really helps you remember it for life 
Your DI was nice. We had to sing the entire first verse of the Marine Corps Hymn coherently and with spirit before the DI let us out. I must say, after I was done with basic I honestly forgot why I'd signed up in the first place.
Faye @ Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:24 pm
My daughter is in a English as a second language class. It shocks me that there are kids in her class who have been born in Canada, who don't speak english. Some of them haven't even been to preschool. We have a rule: Dutch language inside the house and car, but the rest: English please.
I have no problem with becoming Canadian. In fact, I can hardly wait.
Brenda @ Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:44 pm
My kids didnt get an ESL class. (not available here) They didnt need it either. Within 3 months, their English was better than their dads.
BTW, my next door neighbour kid in Holland was Turkish, born in Holland. She did NOT speak Dutch before she went to school, and they were not muslim (just to set the records straight )
Robair @ Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:12 pm
One the flip side, My Romanian co-worker and his Romanian wife have a teenage son that can't speak any Romanian. Just English. That's no good either, they could have raised him knowing a second language (a real asset) but chose not to.
Our daughter will have dual citizenship. We file for it in a couple of months.
ShepherdsDog @ Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:01 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
hell, I got my SIN card when I was in Gr. 8 and lost it the next year. I just have it memorized(having to say it in a room full of CS gas really helps you remember it for life
Your DI was nice. We had to sing the entire first verse of the Marine Corps Hymn coherently and with spirit before the DI let us out. I must say, after I was done with basic I honestly forgot why I'd signed up in the first place.
Unlike Clinton, I inhaled.
We had a CBC news crew in with us and one of the guys developed a svere nose bleed from it. He was hauled one way and the camera crew was hustled the other way. We had one guy in our platoon, an Italian immigrant, who wasn't bothered by the stuff in the least. All our PO(WO) muttered, when he stood there taking in lung fulls of the stuff, with nary a tear or a sniffle, was, "Fucking pepperoni eating Wop bastard."
martin14 @ Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:38 am
Robair Robair:
One the flip side, My Romanian co-worker and his Romanian wife have a teenage son that can't speak any Romanian. Just English. That's no good either, they could have raised him knowing a second language (a real asset) but chose not to.
Our daughter will have dual citizenship. We file for it in a couple of months.
Our daughter will have dual citizenship. We file for it in a couple of months.
I grew up like that, no Dutch.
Not the best thing for the kid, languages are important.
However, I dont have any stupid notions about the 'old country' either.
ShepherdsDog @ Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:16 am
Robair Robair:
One the flip side, My Romanian co-worker and his Romanian wife have a teenage son that can't speak any Romanian. Just English. That's no good either, they could have raised him knowing a second language (a real asset) but chose not to.
Our daughter will have dual citizenship. We file for it in a couple of months.
Our daughter will have dual citizenship. We file for it in a couple of months.
It was a few years ago, when we were in YVR flying back here. We were talking to a fellow who was taking his son back to visit his family. My eldest son started talking to the father in Mandarin and the guy was shocked that this white kid was fluent(or close enough to) in Mandarin. When our son tried speaking to this guy's kid, he replied,' I'm sorry I don't understand Chinese". talk about irony. The kid had been born and raised in Canada. My son is now learning French(like we all had to in Canada) and wants to try Japanese(by corespondence). Our youngest son seems to have better language skills(speaking and reading) in Mandarin than English currently, because he often uses Chinese grammar when speaking English. He studies it 3 hrs a day and they're a little more intense at an ealier age than we are.
Kids are expected to know the BoPoMoFo(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bopomofo) phonetic system(it teaches kids how to pronounce Chinese Characters)by the time they start Grade 1.
Brenda @ Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:40 am
martin14 martin14:
Robair Robair:
One the flip side, My Romanian co-worker and his Romanian wife have a teenage son that can't speak any Romanian. Just English. That's no good either, they could have raised him knowing a second language (a real asset) but chose not to.
Our daughter will have dual citizenship. We file for it in a couple of months.
Our daughter will have dual citizenship. We file for it in a couple of months.
I grew up like that, no Dutch.
Not the best thing for the kid, languages are important.
However, I dont have any stupid notions about the 'old country' either.
Since my kids were born in Holland, they speak it, but I am sure that their kids wont speak dutch if they stay here.
EyeBrock @ Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:37 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:
hell, I got my SIN card when I was in Gr. 8 and lost it the next year. I just have it memorized(having to say it in a room full of CS gas really helps you remember it for life
Your DI was nice. We had to sing the entire first verse of the Marine Corps Hymn coherently and with spirit before the DI let us out. I must say, after I was done with basic I honestly forgot why I'd signed up in the first place.
Unlike Clinton, I inhaled.
We had a CBC news crew in with us and one of the guys developed a svere nose bleed from it. He was hauled one way and the camera crew was hustled the other way. We had one guy in our platoon, an Italian immigrant, who wasn't bothered by the stuff in the least. All our PO(WO) muttered, when he stood there taking in lung fulls of the stuff, with nary a tear or a sniffle, was, "Fucking pepperoni eating Wop bastard."
We were forced to have breakfast in a CS 'environment'. I went with cornflakes. Easier to shovel down than eggs and bacon.