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Which has nothing to do with the discussion.
The conception that because a network would play a Michael Moore movie it's news reporting is therefore left-wing is a fine example of the simplistic, moronic attempt at reasoning by the dumbed-down masses of today.
The news is the news, it's job is to point out fuck-ups by the gov't even if you don't like to see it. What Rex Murphy says is editorial opinion, not news.
That is perfectly 'balanced' by switching channels to another network where the news is reported in less detail and the editorial is different. If you wish to delude yourselves that Craig Oliver is a 'leftist', you are mad.
Do you actually wish to promote a service promising to inject and actual bias into the news? Maybe even NOT report it when the gov't fucks up but promote the party line instead?
We just saw a perfect example of every media outlet in the 'land of the free' fall into line over Iraq, and this backlash where every one that came to it's senses being labeled as liberal media bias. That's where this entire bullshit started.

   

the rainbow used to have a nice symbolic use too, but it has been hijacked.

   

No, I can it a factual conclusion based entirely on verifiable historical data. If the point being made is that a symbol is condemned based on some of the actions by people who claim it represents their ideology means then is goes both ways.

My statement wasn't a balance scale weighing the good with the bad of those who used the cross symbol nor was it a historical paper about everything done in its name it was a statement of fact that the cross has been used as a symbol to justify evil and a symbol to rally people around to commit evil.

   

Trying to attack their actions while ignoring ours is equally inexcusable. Like I said, plenty of evil acts were done in the name of the cross and the religion it represents (evil I consider every bit as bad as the Soviets and lets not even rehash the whole religion-Hitler-holocaust thing again). Plenty of evil linked to western nations and plenty of evil linked to capitalism.

Those in glass houses and all that.

   

Really? Like what and hijacked by who? I hope you aren't making some sort of homophobic argument that gays hijacked the rainbow symbol and are cruelly using it for their own selfish needs.

   

Herbie, I agree with your sentiments but the media is made up of people who have opinions.

How many people who work for the CBC would vote Tory? Or at CTV? I'd think it would be a very small percentage.

Political views are very personal but it's obvious that personal viewpoints are seeping into the media's reporting. I saw this years ago when I watched Kate Adie from the BBC do a report on the Ethiopian famine. I was in Addis stood next to her as she editorialised the famine.


To ignore obvious bias in the media is to stick your head in the sand. I really couldn’t give a shite for Fox media and I won’t watch it. I am quite disillusioned with our domestic media as it is, I rarely watch or listen to the CBC/CTV these days.


I was driving to Toronto last week and my company car doesn’t have satellite so I listened to the CBC (briefly). The show out to Toronto was all about how bad the Israelis were over the Gaza thing.

I listened for a few minutes and then the over-the-top bias got the better of me and I turned off the radio. Ten hours later on my way home, I listened to the CBC again. Another program on about how bad the Israelis were.

This was 8 days after the incident and was so one-sided it was funny.

Those who can’t see a bias on the CBC/CTV or on Al Jazzera, or on Fox News and the ridiculous right-wing US shows are either remarkably imperceptive or fibbing.

   

the chatholic missionaries, along with nuns,schools, orphanages, and many other humanitarian efforts were all done in the name of the cross, too. But, I understand, that this would not have helped your "factual conclusions"

   

The problem is you aren't understanding the argument.

It is irrelevant that good has been done in the name of the cross. My factual based statement was only that evil had been done in the name of the cross. not only evil has been done.

Understand now?

   

I quite like the Rainbow Flag mate!

And if you need to be told about hijacking of the Swastika and the hammer'n'sickle.........

Ok, a load of bad guys in Russia hijacked some peasant symbols and plastered them over everything as they murdered millions of people and terrorized millions more. The were called "The Soviets".

Another load of bad guys in Germany hijacked an old symbol out of India called a 'swastika' and plastered all over everything as they murdered millions of people and terrorized millions more. They were called "The Nazis."

   

Ok, in that vein, tell me about the good things the Nazi's and Soviets did? 'Making the trains run on time' doesn't count.

   

So what?

How many millions have been murdered in the name of the cross? How many innocents have been murdered by governments allied directly with western governments and how many millions have been murdered directly by western governments?

Its irrelevant considering the context of Mr Cs argument.

   

Irrelevant. We are talking symbology in the context of Mr Cs argument. Just for arguments sake, the Nazis started the first large scale anti-smoking campaign.

   

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Law and order, sanitation, wine.......

   

Are you trying to link those Roman achievements to the cross? All of them not only preceeded the cross but Christianity as a whole.

I suppose we can thank the Nazis for the technological achievements that were a direct result of them or the effort put into fighting them?

I might also link a lot of the ideology behind communism (or moreso socialism) to a whole plethora of modern things designed to help and protect the workers. EI, pensions, health care plans, over time, .....

Regardless, Mr Cs argument is that the symbol stands for something more then what Stalin used it for (and the whole Nazi thing is a red herring since he isn't making that argument) just as the cross has stood for both good and evil.

   

Stone him!

   

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