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Never said that, thanks for the misquote.



No, that's incorrect. They have offered them to keep their $25 and hour. There is no pay cut on the table.



But you lump all corporations in as 1, as if they call can afford to keep factories open because, on average, companies are turning a massive profit each year isn't correct.

Some companies aren't turning a profit, some are deep in the red and have to close for various reasons.

   

Why do corporations pursue large revenues? Because the people who own and run them are paid accordance with those revenues. What would be a union bureucrat's motive to increase the revenues of the union? They get fixed salaries regardless. I'm sure they have fixed funding objectives like replenishing the strike fund or advertising budgets (notice the CAW logo on the field of a CFL game, for example) but it's not as if someone is getting 10% of union dues as a personal performance bonus.

I'm sure not all unions are well run, just as not all corporations or even cheese-of-the-month clubs are well run.

Its irrelevant that Windsor HAD 4 GM plants (now only 1) while St. Catharines has 2. Your post, as well as numerous new articles circulated at the time of the big automaker 'take back' implied that GM workers were making $77 per hour including benefits, which is not the same as saying GM's creative accounting estimates its compensation and administrative costs are $77 for both its active and retired population.

   

Thats exactly my point, some people would like us to believe that 60K translates into $77/hr. It doesn't. It doesn't even come close.

   

Because they share the same philosophy as ISO quality management systems...ie, they seek to replace arbitrary and random decisions with policy and procedure.

When a company embraces a quality system they are essentially saying to all of their employees, including their managers, "We don't trust you unless you follow this specific way of doing things"

It is dubious at best, that they prefer not to instill the same philosophy on the human resources aspect of management.

   

   

Oh please, unless one is incapable of the simplest of arithmatic, you have just insulted a LOT of people's intelligence. We can all add.
MY point is, some people would like you to believe that the roughly $30/hr the autoworkers get paid is the only labour cost the Big 3 have(or had as the case may be).

   

Yeah, I really didn't expect an intelligent response from you.
You had nothing else to say about the rest of that post because you can't refute it without backpeddling on your principles. So you quote me out of context and resort to feigning exasperation.
Impressive.

   

If you owned a business, wouldn't you be looking to pursue large revenues? Isn't that the point of owning a business, to make money, to grow and to innovate?

I own a business right now, as does my father. We don't sit back, although times are good, and not look ahead and not try to increase our profits and look for new ideas. My father is 60 and looking for new ideas and no ventures every day of his life.

Publicly traded companies are not only responsible to themselves but to their shareholders. Stock pricing is key, and if your financial outlook for your company is grim due to various costs, cuts need to be made to meet these goals.

   

right, but a union is not a business, it does not have "owners" or "investors" looking at the bottom line.

And as I've said a THOUSAND TIMES already on this thread that just keeps going ignored and unresponded to, CORPORATE PROFITS ARE AT RECORD HIGHS WHILE WAGES HAVE BEEN STAGNANT FOR 30 YEARS. Let me repeat that:


CORPORATE PROFITS ARE AT RECORD HIGHS WHILE WAGES HAVE BEEN STAGNANT FOR 30 YEARS.
CORPORATE PROFITS ARE AT RECORD HIGHS WHILE WAGES HAVE BEEN STAGNANT FOR 30 YEARS.
CORPORATE PROFITS ARE AT RECORD HIGHS WHILE WAGES HAVE BEEN STAGNANT FOR 30 YEARS.
CORPORATE PROFITS ARE AT RECORD HIGHS WHILE WAGES HAVE BEEN STAGNANT FOR 30 YEARS.
CORPORATE PROFITS ARE AT RECORD HIGHS WHILE WAGES HAVE BEEN STAGNANT FOR 30 YEARS.
CORPORATE PROFITS ARE AT RECORD HIGHS WHILE WAGES HAVE BEEN STAGNANT FOR 30 YEARS.
CORPORATE PROFITS ARE AT RECORD HIGHS WHILE WAGES HAVE BEEN STAGNANT FOR 30 YEARS.



GET IT? Busineses aren't "struggling" because of worker's wages and have no problem paying them, the just don't WANT TO any more. The just say that as an excuse to cut wages so because their hedge fund loan sharks that really run the economy are VAMPIRES who make money by sucking all the money and the lifeblood out of companies.

   

See the article



A pay freeze for five years is basically a pay CUT because although there was negative inflation so far THIS YEAR it won't hold for five years. Also cuts to disability and LOSS OF PENSION. Cuts to compensation, lets not get into semantics.



Sure sure, I dont have data on each and every company on the continent, but on a macro scale, there have been across the board cuts to labour while profits dramatically increased. These two trend lines are very similar. Also labour is only one cost companies face and something that can be forecasted. With all the fluctuating prices in comodities and material, labour costs should be the most manageable for an employer.

   

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH and not ONE word you have said is any justification for public service unions. Again, please tell me where all these profits our public schools are making are going? I mean hell, if they're running profits we should be getting tax refunds or reductions don't ya think?
Seems to me the only "corporation" that's making money in this instance, is OPSEU.
And our hospitals. Too bad we didn't have a system where hospitals aren't exactly encouraged to run profits, and were paid for through taxes... Oh wait, WE DO!!

And screw the guy making 30K a year that's lucky and smart enough to own a home. Let him pay more property tax so the CUPE man making 40-50K/yr, that doesn't even live in the city, can get a raise or keep a shitload of sick days off per year, that he could potentially use as a 6 month early retirement bonus. And as an added insult, said taxpayer gets to be abused by said strikers for simply trying to get rid of his/her garbage at the appointed drop offs. I know that's what happened in Toronto recently but that ain't the first time, nor an isolated incident. I've seen OPSEU get a little militant at times too.
Since you seem to have no issue with that, perhaps I could impress upon one of you to pay my property taxes for me.

In case you haven't run across it in your "researches", cities aren't exactly known for being massive profit runners.

   

Yea, let's not get into semantics. Let's not try bullshit me into thinking they're having their pay is being cut, when it isn't. Be specific, not vague to solidify your point. Just because their pay isn't rising with inflation, doesn't discount the fact that they are well paid for doing that particular job, and to consider that millions of other Canadians don't get inflation raises either.



So then you understand why it's difficult to run a business on a large scale. You have one entity, your staff, who are easy to forecast their costs but then you have other degrees which swing with the economy.

When you look at it as a whole, it's not as easy it may seem....because having a hard time predicting your revenue makes it hard to commit to employees.

Everyone has a sense of greed. Companies want more. Shareholders want more and employees want more.

   

well it accounts for the first 60k, but the remaining 74k is all 'non-taxable' benefits.

someone should tip off revenue canada

edit: oh goodness gracious, its not 74k, its 94k

   

NOBODY goes 5 years without SOME raise. Even the shitty call-centre job I had gave an annual raise. And Lost of Disability, loss of PENSION? Those are HUGE CUTS. FINE, its a COMPENSATION cut. Call it what you want, you're playing word games.

Yeah, only the first two actually get it, the latter has to pay for most of it.

   

Well, somehow we managed to do it for at least 3 decades, what is it some kind of lost ancient art now or something? Did the CEOs all catch Ronnie's Alzheimers or something?

   

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