The city of Toronto turns right.
andyt @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:13 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Well, I ask you andy.
Those guys who were torching cop cars and smashing Starbucks windows......were they Toronto residents? I note from those who got court dates, most of 'em were from outside Toronto. LEECHES!
You can't have it both ways. I'm sure half of those 'protesters' got there in daddies SUV anyway.
Those guys who were torching cop cars and smashing Starbucks windows......were they Toronto residents? I note from those who got court dates, most of 'em were from outside Toronto. LEECHES!
You can't have it both ways. I'm sure half of those 'protesters' got there in daddies SUV anyway.
Well, you guys made them pay for it with your fair share of head bashing and false arrests. You should do the same to those Missessaugans or whatever they're called.
EyeBrock @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:15 am
It's only false if anybody is watching.
Spot the hypocrite andy! Montreal protesters burning shit in TO is ok by you but an SUV from Mississauga is the real enemy eh?
Noted!
CommanderSock @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:19 am
Big cities are always incubators of their own culture, which ultimately doesn't always reflect the culture of the country they are located in. This is common throughout the West. This is why they are viewed with suspicion. And yes, the nation's elites are usually sprinkled throughout the biggest cities, usually the top 2 or 3. USA has NYC and LA, Canada has Toronto and Vancouver.
Also I don't have a problem with suburbanites coming in here and using the infrastructure without paying directly into it. In a way they will, and do. Toronto depends on their money for business.
What I dislike is when they come here, from their far flung conservative districts, and start attacking Torontonian (social) liberalism and our way of life. It’s like we're supposed to aspire to whatever goes on in Kitchener or Barrie.
I'm generally speaking for Downtown Old Toronto, it's where I'm currently living. Downtown Toronto is more unique culturally than say Etobicoke or Scarborough. And it's about as left as you can go without hitting a wall.
EyeBrock @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:25 am
Hey, a majority Toronto residents don't seem to agree with you Sock.
They just voted in a right-wing guy who will be attacking that 'Toronto social liberalism' from today on, despite all the bankrolling of Smitherman and despite the overwhelming media support for him and how they attacked Ford.
The plebs are no longer taking the Jack Layton and Bob Rae thought-police's BS.
It's about time.
andyt @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:27 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
It's only false if anybody is watching.
Spot the hypocrite andy! Montreal protesters burning shit in TO is ok by you but an SUV from Mississauga is the real enemy eh?
Noted!
Spot the hypocrite andy! Montreal protesters burning shit in TO is ok by you but an SUV from Mississauga is the real enemy eh?
Noted!
Not really hypocritical, Brock, just a different POV. Of course the POV you're ascribing to me is all in your own making.
Protesters protesting peacefully, as most of them did - OK. They had to come because that's where numbnuts chose to hold it. Mississipeans coming to the city - OK. As Sock points out they contribute to the economic activity, and as I said, service workers don't grow on trees. Mississipeans plugging up the roads with their pig mobiles while complaining about the space given to bicycles, now that's hypocritical.
BartSimpson @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:30 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Hey, a majority Toronto residents don't seem to agree with you Sock.
Can't argue that.
EyeBrock @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:31 am
Those bikes get in the way of my big fuck-off F750 Truck.
The protesters 'had to' come? Really? What were they protesting and what did they achieve?
I mean, I was down there all week but the Montreal types didn't tell me what they were protesting against as they burned shit, neither did the suburbanite pinkies that screamed at us.
Your POV changes with the wind andy.
BartSimpson @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:37 am
Protests against the G-20 don't accomplish squat outside of a bunch of grandstanding vandals getting an excuse to break stuff. I can't wait to see China host a G-20 meeting and see how they deal with the black-masked vermin. 
bootlegga @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:37 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Toronto, Edmonton, and Vancouver's problems can be resolved the same way Detroit's once-notorious traffic jams were resolved: factories closed and businesses left for better locations. Now the city is a virtual ghost town.
Don't prattle on about how people don't care to live in your city, make your city more appealing for people to live there. But see, part of the problem here are city leaders who want tax revenue from office space at the expense of residential construction. Make your leaders build housing in the downtown - like San Francisco and Sacramento are doing - and you'll see a revival of the city core. Oh, that also has to be coupled with more aggressive policing of urban crimes typically committed by unassimilated minorities....something liberals are oft loathe to do.
Don't prattle on about how people don't care to live in your city, make your city more appealing for people to live there. But see, part of the problem here are city leaders who want tax revenue from office space at the expense of residential construction. Make your leaders build housing in the downtown - like San Francisco and Sacramento are doing - and you'll see a revival of the city core. Oh, that also has to be coupled with more aggressive policing of urban crimes typically committed by unassimilated minorities....something liberals are oft loathe to do.
Edmonton has built almost a dozen new skyscraper condos in the past decade (growing up instead of out), with more planned on 105 avenue. Despite the influx of thousands of people, our city centre is still fairly quiet most nights.
The problem is that in many cases, the city is surrounded by suburbs, and there is no place left for them to grow. Take a look at Edmonton sometime on Google maps. St. Albert, CFB Edmonton & Ft. Saskatchewan block growth in the north, Sherwood Park does the same in the east, Beaumont, Nisku, & Leduc do it in the south, and the Enoch Reservation and Spruce Grove/Stony Plain do it on the west.
Short of annexing one or more of those cities (which the province has adamantly refused over the past two decades), there is nowhere to grow outwards to provide land for residents. Housing demand is high, but Edmonton is rapidly running out of land to build them.
andyt @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:40 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Those bikes get in the way of my big fuck-off F750 Truck.
The protesters 'had to' come? Really? What were they protesting and what did they achieve?
I mean, I was down there all week but the Montreal types didn't tell me what they were protesting against as they burned shit, neither did the suburbanite pinkies that screamed at us.
Your POV changes with the wind andy.
The protesters 'had to' come? Really? What were they protesting and what did they achieve?
I mean, I was down there all week but the Montreal types didn't tell me what they were protesting against as they burned shit, neither did the suburbanite pinkies that screamed at us.
Your POV changes with the wind andy.
You didn't ask them nicely.
How has my POV changed? They had to come because that's where the event was. Exactly same motivation as the Mississipeans. Because it's there. As I said, both groups are leeching off TO taxpayers. But the protesters did it once. The Mississipeans do it every day, they just keep coming and coming. The horror.
G-prime @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:40 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
G-prime G-prime:
i call shenanigans. does anyone know anyone that ADMITS VOTING for him?
Thought I'd fix that for you.
haha thanks. yeah, someone on Twitter compaired him to the Nickleback of mayors, getting votes but no one admits to it.
andyt @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:42 am
bootlegga bootlegga:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Toronto, Edmonton, and Vancouver's problems can be resolved the same way Detroit's once-notorious traffic jams were resolved: factories closed and businesses left for better locations. Now the city is a virtual ghost town.
Don't prattle on about how people don't care to live in your city, make your city more appealing for people to live there. But see, part of the problem here are city leaders who want tax revenue from office space at the expense of residential construction. Make your leaders build housing in the downtown - like San Francisco and Sacramento are doing - and you'll see a revival of the city core. Oh, that also has to be coupled with more aggressive policing of urban crimes typically committed by unassimilated minorities....something liberals are oft loathe to do.
Don't prattle on about how people don't care to live in your city, make your city more appealing for people to live there. But see, part of the problem here are city leaders who want tax revenue from office space at the expense of residential construction. Make your leaders build housing in the downtown - like San Francisco and Sacramento are doing - and you'll see a revival of the city core. Oh, that also has to be coupled with more aggressive policing of urban crimes typically committed by unassimilated minorities....something liberals are oft loathe to do.
Edmonton has built almost a dozen new skyscraper condos in the past decade (growing up instead of out), with more planned on 105 avenue. Despite the influx of thousands of people, our city centre is still fairly quiet most nights.
The problem is that in many cases, the city is surrounded by suburbs, and there is no place left for them to grow. Take a look at Edmonton sometime on Google maps. St. Albert, CFB Edmonton & Ft. Saskatchewan block growth in the north, Sherwood Park does the same in the east, Beaumont, Nisku, & Leduc do it in the south, and the Enoch Reservation and Spruce Grove/Stony Plain do it on the west.
Short of annexing one or more of those cities (which the province has adamantly refused over the past two decades), there is nowhere to grow outwards to provide land for residents. Housing demand is high, but Edmonton is rapidly running out of land to build them.
Please stop inserting your reasonable posts in the middle of Brock and mine's silly arguments. We've hijacked this thread to go in a certain direction. Who are you to come in and change it?
BartSimpson @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:44 am
bootlegga bootlegga:
Edmonton has built almost a dozen new skyscraper condos in the past decade (growing up instead of out), with more planned on 105 avenue. Despite the influx of thousands of people, our city centre is still fairly quiet most nights.
Well, it is Edmonton, after all.
bootlegga bootlegga:
The problem is that in many cases, the city is surrounded by suburbs, and there is no place left for them to grow. Take a look at Edmonton sometime on Google maps. St. Albert, CFB Edmonton & Ft. Saskatchewan block growth in the north, Sherwood Park does the same in the east, Beaumont, Nisku, & Leduc do it in the south, and the Enoch Reservation and Spruce Grove/Stony Plain do it on the west.
Short of annexing one or more of those cities (which the province has adamantly refused over the past two decades), there is nowhere to grow outwards to provide land for residents. Housing demand is high, but Edmonton is rapidly running out of land to build them.
Short of annexing one or more of those cities (which the province has adamantly refused over the past two decades), there is nowhere to grow outwards to provide land for residents. Housing demand is high, but Edmonton is rapidly running out of land to build them.
That's a big 'so what?'. Edmonton does not have a God-given right to annex someone else's city without the approval of the people living in that city. Manage what you've got and deal with it.
EyeBrock @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:44 am
I agree andy. Boots, bugger off at let me and andy continue squabbling about nothing in particular. Carry on andy, I'm waiting to disagree with you on anything.......sheesh can't Boots see this?
CommanderSock @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:44 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Hey, a majority Toronto residents don't seem to agree with you Sock.
They just voted in a right-wing guy who will be attacking that 'Toronto social liberalism' from today on, despite all the bankrolling of Smitherman and despite the overwhelming media support for him and how they attacked Ford.
The plebs are no longer taking the Jack Layton and Bob Rae thought-police's BS.
It's about time.
They just voted in a right-wing guy who will be attacking that 'Toronto social liberalism' from today on, despite all the bankrolling of Smitherman and despite the overwhelming media support for him and how they attacked Ford.
The plebs are no longer taking the Jack Layton and Bob Rae thought-police's BS.
It's about time.
Toronto is split into different "pockets" of cultures. Where I live, old Toronto, liberals actually did pretty good. I'm in the Danforth Federal riding, Ward 29 and 30.
http://www.sharetoronto.ca/elections/2010/results
In both Wards Rob did well, but not great. Jennifer Wood got a massive show of support in Ward 29. She's probably even more left than Lastman. Also, don't forget Danforth is represented by the NDP federally. Still a very leftist part of town, and pretty decent income level too.
I certainly don't see all of Toronto as liberal, never has been. It's a misconception. There's some very right wing areas too. The periphery of the city is very conservative, and even the immigrants there are conservative.
Where I am is very liberal however.