The city of Toronto turns right.
andyt @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:24 am
CommanderSock CommanderSock:
Where I am is very liberal however.
Probably the most vibrant, most interesting, part of town.
Lemmy Lemmy:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
Lemmy Lemmy:
We'll see if he can get any council support. The mayor's vote is just one vote. I suspect Rob Ford will be a lame duck mayor.
Hopefully, for Toronto, you're right.

Well, there's something to be said for reducing waste in government. The problem is, in practise, when governments start slashing, they slash in the worst of places. The last time Ontarians had a mad-as-hell tax revolt, it swept Mike Harris into office. That goverment was likely the worst in the history of the province. Instead of cutting waste, Harris cut the two things that are supposed to the most important parts of provincial government: healthcare and education. Furthermore, Harris-era slashing was done during a period of strong economic growth and a high-flying labour market. We're in no position to accept another slash-and-burn provincial government when our economy is on such dodgy footing. And there's no place left to download now. The municipal governments are still reeling from Harris' legacy. I hope everyone likes paying that Healthcare premium because I sense it's going to get a lot larger over the next few years. I also hope everyone's ready for another round of labour unrest and teacher-bashing, 'cause I see that coming down the pike too.
I agree that Miller's financial excess needed addressing, but why do the masses always need an extreme to fix it? Why not a moderate, sensible, pragmatic approach to spending? You're right, the last time this kind of ideological simplicity swept through, it was Harris and his merry band of moronic ideologues. I guess some chose to learn from the past whereas others can only have it smack upside the head.
Mustang1 Mustang1:
Rob Ford is a nasty, brutish, loud-mouthed, uneducated, slob who rode the wave of angry populism to the mayor's seat. Sorry, Toronto, but enjoy the ride.
Besides him being nasty, brutish, loud-mouthed and all that. He loves his mother Mustang. (You forgot impaired driver, wife beater and pot-head).
I kinda agree with you that he is way too far the other way.
The problem is that mainstream politics is continuing to knock out these lying and smarmy sales-guys like Smitherman as the alternate choice.
The political elite will hopefully get the message and start doing business differently, otherwise get used to having back-lash politicians gate crashing the party.
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Mustang1 Mustang1:
Rob Ford is a nasty, brutish, loud-mouthed, uneducated, slob who rode the wave of angry populism to the mayor's seat. Sorry, Toronto, but enjoy the ride.
Besides him being nasty, brutish, loud-mouthed and all that. He loves his mother Mustang. (You forgot impaired driver, wife beater and pot-head).
I kinda agree with you that he is way too far the other way.
The problem is that mainstream politics is continuing to knock out these lying and smarmy sales-guys like Smitherman as the alternate choice.
The political elite will hopefully get the message and start doing business differently, otherwise get used to having back-lash politicians gate crashing the party.
I do agree with you - i'm no fan of the "take my politics just because i'm an elitist" mantra either, but it's too bad Ford is the only way counter it.
People need to demand pragmatic solutions, not reactionary, loud mouthpieces selling a different brand of slop.
Yep, but we either the get the condescending " I know best " guys or loonies like Hudak and Ford.
The time is ripe for a big change in Canada. Maybe andy and me can start our own party?
We could have Lemmy in Finance, we'll get you and Shep in Policy, Gunny and Bart in Defence, DD in Immigration, Brenda on Wimmins Issues, ASL for the gun thing, Hurley and Boots in the Dept of Common Sense and we have plenty of people for other portfolios.
I think we would be good to go...!
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Yep, but we either the get the condescending " I know best " guys or loonies like Hudak and Ford.
The time is ripe for a big change in Canada. Maybe andy and me can start our own party?
We could have Lemmy in Finance, we'll get you and Shep in Policy, Gunny and Bart in Defence, DD in Immigration, Brenda on Wimmins Issues, ASL for the gun thing, Hurley and Boots in the Dept of Common Sense and we have plenty of people for other portfolios.
I think we would be good to go...!
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Yep, but we either the get the condescending " I know best " guys or loonies like Hudak and Ford.
The time is ripe for a big change in Canada. Maybe andy and me can start our own party?
We could have Lemmy in Finance, we'll get you and Shep in Policy, Gunny and Bart in Defence, DD in Immigration, Brenda on Wimmins Issues, ASL for the gun thing, Hurley and Boots in the Dept of Common Sense and we have plenty of people for other portfolios.
I think we would be good to go...!
Sounds good to me...too bad it makes too much sense to actually happen.
bootlegga bootlegga:
Not really, the province won't let Edmonton annex land outside the suburbs either, so it was okay for the suburbs to box Edmonton in, but not the other way around?
As an observation I've noted that, in general, people seem to have an innate antipathy for large organizations be they corporations, countries, states/provinces, or cities. So, to answer your question: yes.
bootlegga bootlegga:
Hmmm, wonder why...Edmonton suburbs, much like Toronto's (by the sound of it), are largely Conservative (held both provincially and federally), so it's no surprise that they are more effective at lobbying to contain 'Redmonton' (usually the home of Libs/NDPs at both federal and provincial levels) than Edmonton is.
San Francisco at one time tried to annex nearby San Mateo County and it also tried to straddle the Golden Gate by annexing Marin County. All three counties are, more or less, as liberal as the other. The underlying issue was resistance to a big city trying to exert its will on the less powerful. While I've no doubt that partisanship plays a part in the drama in Alberta, I've also no doubt that the drama would be no different were the entire Edmonton metro area solidly liberal.
bootlegga bootlegga:
BTW, I won't bore you with Edmonton history, but suffice it to say that Edmonton is comprised of a number of smaller towns and/cities that were amalgamated into it in 20th century, so it's not like it's anything new.

Same with Sacramento. Towns that existed just 30 years ago like Perkins, Florin, Del Paso, and etc. are no more having been assimilated. But now, as Sacramento has built out, the resistance to further Sacramento expansion has stopped at a new city on the ballot this fall: Arden Arcade. That's a whole unincorporated area that's becoming a city for the express reason of preventing Sacramento from annexing them.
Really, stopping big cities is a trend right now that transcends party lines. It's just the way it is.
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Yep, but we either the get the condescending " I know best " guys or loonies like Hudak and Ford.
The time is ripe for a big change in Canada. Maybe andy and me can start our own party?
We could have Lemmy in Finance, we'll get you and Shep in Policy, Gunny and Bart in Defence, DD in Immigration, Brenda on Wimmins Issues, ASL for the gun thing, Hurley and Boots in the Dept of Common Sense and we have plenty of people for other portfolios.
I think we would be good to go...!
with you as King of Quebec and Andy as the Sheriff of Vancouver of course...
It's about time. The leftist socialist pigs have had too much time to ruin our fair city. Toronto will rise high once again thanks to Mr. Ford.
"No left turns"
-J.
CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
The leftist socialist pigs have had too much time to ruin our fair city.
Yep, it's high time the conservatives had a run at it as they can do it faster, cheaper, and far more efficiently.
Oh, and I humbly accept my appointment as Minister of Defence. 
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
bootlegga bootlegga:
The problem is that in many cases, the city is surrounded by suburbs, and there is no place left for them to grow. Take a look at Edmonton sometime on Google maps. St. Albert, CFB Edmonton & Ft. Saskatchewan block growth in the north, Sherwood Park does the same in the east, Beaumont, Nisku, & Leduc do it in the south, and the Enoch Reservation and Spruce Grove/Stony Plain do it on the west.
Short of annexing one or more of those cities (which the province has adamantly refused over the past two decades), there is nowhere to grow outwards to provide land for residents. Housing demand is high, but Edmonton is rapidly running out of land to build them.
That's a big 'so what?'. Edmonton does not have a God-given right to annex someone else's city without the approval of the people living in that city. Manage what you've got and deal with it.
I'm from one of those suburbs - St. Albert, so I speak with some knowledge when I say that St. Albertans in general are a stuck up bunch of whiny selfish prats. They mostly mooch jobs and entertainment off of Edmonton but retire to their own cosy little community for sleep. They rely on the RCMP for policing because they're not big enough for their own police force. They recently successfully lobbied the province to realign a road that had been in the works for decades so that it would be a litle farther from their houses, but in the process had to demolish a 50 year old seminary and force it to move - guess where - further into Edmonton. And let's not forget the letter to the local rag recently that makde national headlines raging against the effect a habitat for humanity project would have on the priveleged, elite lifestyle St. Albertans are entitled to. Because they're better.
Edmonton can annex the everlasting FUCK out of St. Albert for all I care.
martin14 martin14:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Yep, but we either the get the condescending " I know best " guys or loonies like Hudak and Ford.
The time is ripe for a big change in Canada. Maybe andy and me can start our own party?
We could have Lemmy in Finance, we'll get you and Shep in Policy, Gunny and Bart in Defence, DD in Immigration, Brenda on Wimmins Issues, ASL for the gun thing, Hurley and Boots in the Dept of Common Sense and we have plenty of people for other portfolios.
I think we would be good to go...!
with you as King of Quebec and Andy as the Sheriff of Vancouver of course...
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I would take the opportunity to learn French. I hear Quebec French with a Manchester accent is something the chicks really dig.
Bodah @ Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:54 pm
The problems Ford will face in Toronto will be the same problems that O'Brien faced in Ottawa. People got tired of the insane socialist programs, wild spending and continual tax increases to support these programs people had enough of it voted out the left leaning mayor and voted in O'Brien someone slightly on the right, fiscal conservative a business man who people had hoped he could clean up Ottawa. The problem was that even though the previous mayor Chiarelli was voted out his pissed off cabal of loyal councilors were left behind and they made it extremely difficult for O'Brien to get anything done. Even right down to allegations of bribery and charges where he had to step down for awhile. In the end he was found not guilty. It was pretty dirty and nasty.
Hopefully Ford won't face the same problems but I'm not holding my breath.
Incase you didn't hear O'Brien lost last night and Watson is in as mayor.