Triple price of gas to save planet, climate expert argues
jeff744 @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:15 pm
Better option: invest in miniature nuclear reactors we can use to replace our car engines.
saturn_656 @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:20 pm
Imagine having to respond to those MVAs. 
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:26 pm
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Imagine having to respond to those MVAs.
Minor fender bender at Yonge and Bloor today, 250,000 people killed
DanSC @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:27 pm
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Imagine having to respond to those MVAs.
Not to mention the weight required for a usable reactor. The handling would be terrible.
Brenda @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:28 pm
I have no problem with "going green" to a certain extent.
I don't like to pay 4 times the price for a green article as opposed to a non-green one.
I think the stupidest thing is to make the bulk articles more expensive than the non-bulk articles, I think it is ridiculous that you need scissors to open the packaging around your new pair of scissors, I have no problem with recycling, and I would love to see an incinerator here, instead of filling up the valleys with garbage. When you do it right, no "dirty stuff" will be blown into the air. Filters...
There is so much more that makes a mess of our planet than just cars.
Gunnair @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:20 pm
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Gunnair Gunnair:
As a matter of fact, I'm not against hiking the price of gas, but more so to stimulate conservation. The number of trucks I see as grocery getters, or the number of people that will drive five blocks to work instead of walking, absolutely astounds me. In light of the desire to cut down on the reliance of foreign oil, the first step is to cut down on gratuitous consumption. Add to that, it will reduce pollution and make the cities that much more livable is an added bonus.
You're arguing for hitting Canadians across the country in the wallet because a few (obviously wealthy) douche bags are driving 50 meters up the road in their F-250's to get milk?
I'll walk around the parking lots here and see a lot of trucks and SUVs. Not just a wealthy few.
I think the point bypassed you - the lazy fuck can drive the five blocks to work if he/she wants, just be prepared to pay through the nose to do it in your F350 or not pay so much nor waste so much in a far more efficient vehicle.
jeff744 @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:31 pm
Gunnair Gunnair:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Gunnair Gunnair:
As a matter of fact, I'm not against hiking the price of gas, but more so to stimulate conservation. The number of trucks I see as grocery getters, or the number of people that will drive five blocks to work instead of walking, absolutely astounds me. In light of the desire to cut down on the reliance of foreign oil, the first step is to cut down on gratuitous consumption. Add to that, it will reduce pollution and make the cities that much more livable is an added bonus.
You're arguing for hitting Canadians across the country in the wallet because a few (obviously wealthy) douche bags are driving 50 meters up the road in their F-250's to get milk?
I'll walk around the parking lots here and see a lot of trucks and SUVs. Not just a wealthy few.
I think the point bypassed you - the lazy fuck can drive the five blocks to work if he/she wants, just be prepared to pay through the nose to do it in your F350 or not pay so much nor waste so much in a far more efficient vehicle.
What about those of us that rely on vehicles like that for employment? I work for highways and at current cost it takes about $200 to fill up the one tonne (03 Chev Silverado 3500) and that lasts about 2-3 days. The sliptank can be about $400 and it will fill a grader and maybe have a bit left for some other vehicles.
We need vehicles that heavy and so would other people in construction, gas prices are nasty enough as it is, triple them and people that actually need that gas will be forced out of business.
DanSC @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:38 pm
I can't imagine a situation where tripling energy prices wouldn't effectively be a brutal tax on the poor.
Gunnair @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:41 pm
jeff744 jeff744:
Gunnair Gunnair:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
You're arguing for hitting Canadians across the country in the wallet because a few (obviously wealthy) douche bags are driving 50 meters up the road in their F-250's to get milk?
I'll walk around the parking lots here and see a lot of trucks and SUVs. Not just a wealthy few.
I think the point bypassed you - the lazy fuck can drive the five blocks to work if he/she wants, just be prepared to pay through the nose to do it in your F350 or not pay so much nor waste so much in a far more efficient vehicle.
What about those of us that rely on vehicles like that for employment? I work for highways and at current cost it takes about $200 to fill up the one tonne (03 Chev Silverado 3500) and that lasts about 2-3 days. The sliptank can be about $400 and it will fill a grader and maybe have a bit left for some other vehicles.
We need vehicles that heavy and so would other people in construction, gas prices are nasty enough as it is, triple them and people that actually need that gas will be forced out of business.
Agreed. There would have to be something in there for businesses.
saturn_656 @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:47 pm
Gunnair Gunnair:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Gunnair Gunnair:
As a matter of fact, I'm not against hiking the price of gas, but more so to stimulate conservation. The number of trucks I see as grocery getters, or the number of people that will drive five blocks to work instead of walking, absolutely astounds me. In light of the desire to cut down on the reliance of foreign oil, the first step is to cut down on gratuitous consumption. Add to that, it will reduce pollution and make the cities that much more livable is an added bonus.
You're arguing for hitting Canadians across the country in the wallet because a few (obviously wealthy) douche bags are driving 50 meters up the road in their F-250's to get milk?
I'll walk around the parking lots here and see a lot of trucks and SUVs. Not just a wealthy few.
I think the point bypassed you - the lazy fuck can drive the five blocks to work if he/she wants, just be prepared to pay through the nose to do it in your F350 or not pay so much nor waste so much in a far more efficient vehicle.
Anyone who owns a truck or an SUV as a daily driver is, at least in my mind, pretty damn well off.
I couldn't afford to operate one, and I make decent coin. Costs me damn near $100 to fuel my mid size sedan. I'm not very old, back when I started driving I could gas that car for $40 bucks or less.
PublicAnimalNo9 @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:56 pm
Gunnair Gunnair:
jeff744 jeff744:
What about those of us that rely on vehicles like that for employment? I work for highways and at current cost it takes about $200 to fill up the one tonne (03 Chev Silverado 3500) and that lasts about 2-3 days. The sliptank can be about $400 and it will fill a grader and maybe have a bit left for some other vehicles.
We need vehicles that heavy and so would other people in construction, gas prices are nasty enough as it is, triple them and people that actually need that gas will be forced out of business.
We need vehicles that heavy and so would other people in construction, gas prices are nasty enough as it is, triple them and people that actually need that gas will be forced out of business.
Agreed. There would have to be something in there for businesses.
Put a ridiculously large tax on vehicles that don't meet a certain fuel mileage threshold. If the vehicle is purchased new and it's being registered as a commercial vehicle, then the "heavier" taxes are waived in favour of the normal sales tax. If it's being purchased used, then commercially registering it would permit the purchaser to a refund of the "heavier" taxes.
While it won't stop everyone from purchasing wonkin' big SUVs and HD pick-up trucks for personal use, with the vastly increased cost in insurance for a commercial vehicle, I don't think you'd find a lot of people wanting to buy 'em for grocery store runs and soccer practice.
jeff744 @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:59 pm
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Gunnair Gunnair:
jeff744 jeff744:
What about those of us that rely on vehicles like that for employment? I work for highways and at current cost it takes about $200 to fill up the one tonne (03 Chev Silverado 3500) and that lasts about 2-3 days. The sliptank can be about $400 and it will fill a grader and maybe have a bit left for some other vehicles.
We need vehicles that heavy and so would other people in construction, gas prices are nasty enough as it is, triple them and people that actually need that gas will be forced out of business.
We need vehicles that heavy and so would other people in construction, gas prices are nasty enough as it is, triple them and people that actually need that gas will be forced out of business.
Agreed. There would have to be something in there for businesses.
Put a ridiculously large tax on vehicles that don't meet a certain fuel mileage threshold. If the vehicle is purchased new and it's being registered as a commercial vehicle, then the "heavier" taxes are waived in favour of the normal sales tax. If it's being purchased used, then commercially registering it would permit the purchaser to a refund of the "heavier" taxes.
While it won't stop everyone from purchasing wonkin' big SUVs and HD pick-up trucks for personal use, with the vastly increased cost in insurance for a commercial vehicle, I don't think you'd find a lot of people wanting to buy 'em for grocery store runs and soccer practice.
What about families that own campers/boats and buy trucks for that reason? How about farmers that buy them for a mix of pleasure and work? Hunters that need a certain amount of power to get their trucks into hard to reach areas and still have the power to carry a kill?
herbie @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:09 pm
I drive a 460V8.
Because I can't buy a little truck. They just won't make one here to sell me one because they listen to stubborn assholes like half the posters here. Incapable of learning, incapable of changing, until the whole US economy is fucked.
So some of us import the used little stuff from Japan because you don't NEED more than that to haul a toolbox and a ladder and pick up a gallon of milk.
Mitsubishi: $35 gas every two weeks
F250: over $200 gas every week.
DanSC @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:12 pm
herbie herbie:
I drive a 460V8.
Because I can't buy a little truck. They just won't make one here to sell me one because they listen to stubborn assholes like half the posters here. Incapable of learning, incapable of changing, until the whole US economy is fucked.
So some of us import the used little stuff from Japan because you don't NEED more than that to haul a toolbox and a ladder and pick up a gallon of milk.
Mitsubishi: $35 gas every two weeks
F250: over $200 gas every week.
Because I can't buy a little truck. They just won't make one here to sell me one because they listen to stubborn assholes like half the posters here. Incapable of learning, incapable of changing, until the whole US economy is fucked.
So some of us import the used little stuff from Japan because you don't NEED more than that to haul a toolbox and a ladder and pick up a gallon of milk.
Mitsubishi: $35 gas every two weeks
F250: over $200 gas every week.
Have you tried a Ford F-150 with the Ecoboost V6?
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car ... ive_review
Gunnair @ Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:29 pm
jeff744 jeff744:
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:
Gunnair Gunnair:
Agreed. There would have to be something in there for businesses.
Put a ridiculously large tax on vehicles that don't meet a certain fuel mileage threshold. If the vehicle is purchased new and it's being registered as a commercial vehicle, then the "heavier" taxes are waived in favour of the normal sales tax. If it's being purchased used, then commercially registering it would permit the purchaser to a refund of the "heavier" taxes.
While it won't stop everyone from purchasing wonkin' big SUVs and HD pick-up trucks for personal use, with the vastly increased cost in insurance for a commercial vehicle, I don't think you'd find a lot of people wanting to buy 'em for grocery store runs and soccer practice.
What about families that own campers/boats and buy trucks for that reason? How about farmers that buy them for a mix of pleasure and work? Hunters that need a certain amount of power to get their trucks into hard to reach areas and still have the power to carry a kill?
I own a truck and a trailer. I drive it for work around the house, a second vehicle when occasionally needed, and for recreational use. That's why my 2009 Tundra has 6,000 kms on it. I don't race around the city buying groceries with it, nor do I drive it to work (save for the rare occasion)Again, the point is to focus on those that use an F250 as their aily commuter. the hunter going out to the bush occasionally is not going to be as inconvenianced by higher gas as the idiot driving ten blocks every day.
That being said, what are your recommendations? Status quo of high pollution and a reliance on foreign oil or domestic tar, or do you have an alternative suggestion that gets the retards out of the SUVs and F150s for groceries and commuting?