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sasquatch2 @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:07 am

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And what these utter morons fail to grasp is the areas in the USA where you have the most to fear from criminals with illegal guns are in cities and states where guns are banned.

The safest cities and states freely permit law abiding citizens to carry concealed.

The gun ban supporters can bitch and moan all they want about this fact, but the truth is still there for anyone to see.

More guns = less crime.

TattoodGirl
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sorry, I dont read blogs. Its a complete waste of my time.

And besides you might have to admit to errors and assumptions.
Actually John Lott's book "More Guns-Less Crime" is thoroughly researched, foot-noted and peer-revued. It's only critics are the Sarah Brady Foundation who denounce it and bring forth their IPCC-like "research" (urban myths, and fabrications.)

   



TattoodGirl @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:11 am

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
$1:
And what these utter morons fail to grasp is the areas in the USA where you have the most to fear from criminals with illegal guns are in cities and states where guns are banned.

The safest cities and states freely permit law abiding citizens to carry concealed.

The gun ban supporters can bitch and moan all they want about this fact, but the truth is still there for anyone to see.

More guns = less crime.

TattoodGirl
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sorry, I dont read blogs. Its a complete waste of my time.

And besides you might have to admit to errors and assumptions.
Actually John Lott's book "More Guns-Less Crime" is thoroughly researched, foot-noted and peer-revued. It's only critics are the Sarah Brady Foundation who denounce it and bring forth their IPCC-like "research" (urban myths, and fabrications.)


I thought he was telling me to go to a site, buddy. And i should have made myself clearer...I will repeat again...

I feel that carrying a concealed weapon is fine, but there should be steps in getting there...not everyone should be able to carry. Nor, should you be able to get a private sale without a background...that is where the problem lies.

   



TattoodGirl @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:15 am

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:
ok my bad


s'alright...I have read Uncertainty and Economic Evolution, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Was going to read his others as they were highly recommended to me by friends.

   



BartSimpson @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:22 am

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:
Bart you are so way off track here.

Pedophiles are 99% White, hetrosexual males. Where do you get this from?


The FBI. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm

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You are quite the bigoted homophobic little man arent you? Pathetic :roll:

Cite where you get your info from and not from a Neo Christian rag either, true scientific evidence...and please dont cite Wiki...i know that is your go to but please spare us.


If you wish, I can put you in touch with my friend, John Gillis, who is the past and recent Director of the Office for Victims of Crimes who can FTP the academic data to you. I sat on the 1995-1998 UCR panels with him where I first saw this data.

My name is credited on the 1995-1998 Uniform Crime Reports. Feel free to look them up and find my name there.


Bart i am well aware of UCR Data. When did they include sexual orientation data, I havent seen that data before, maybe i overlooked it. Sure that is not a personal bias you put in there?
The data i have always viewed is distribution by sex, age, location and trends in the data.

No worries with the contact, I can get the data...we seem to run in similar circles but on different parallels.


You're correct that most pedophiles are white males - for now. The problem with the stats is that pedophilia is defined as a crime against children 12 years old and younger. Pederasty (a crime against boys 12-16) is where the figures radically skewed over the past forty years. Several states (California, New York, Massachussetts, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, and Pennsylvania) refuse to compile statistics on pederasty victims because the information is politically incorrect. Therefore, we compile and extrapolate the figures for those states from their applications for victim counseling grants and compensation via the Health & Human Services Department.

The demographics are NOT 99.9% white male and never have been in any category.

The demographic trends show increases most radically over the past forty years in same sex child molest (although some portion of this increase - perhaps as much as 30% can be attributed to increased reporting of incidents and not actual increases in crime) both for male and female with most of the increases in reported crimes in this category from 1993 to 2002 with the increases tapering downward from 2003 to 2006 (coincidental with anti-terrorism laws being used against child molesters).

The majority of directly reported child molest is white males against female children. That majority erodes significantly when the extrapolated data from HHS is included.

The demographics where crimes against children ages 16 and younger (not 12 and younger as many politically correct people prefer) show increases most notably as follows:

All homosexual acts against boys.
All lesbian acts against girls.
Black males against girls.
Latino males against boys.
Chinese males against girls (isolated to first generation immigrants)
Black males against boys 12-16

The white male no longer is the proportionate leader in these crimes. Some of this is properly attributed to increased reporting in other demographics, but not all of the increases can be written off as increased reporting in selected demographics because no corresponding decline in reporting in the white male demographic has been noted.

By the way, unreported sex crimes are typically correlated by HHS figures for counseling in those crime categories.

   



ManifestDestiny @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:23 am

TattoodGirl TattoodGirl:
sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
$1:
And what these utter morons fail to grasp is the areas in the USA where you have the most to fear from criminals with illegal guns are in cities and states where guns are banned.

The safest cities and states freely permit law abiding citizens to carry concealed.

The gun ban supporters can bitch and moan all they want about this fact, but the truth is still there for anyone to see.

More guns = less crime.

TattoodGirl
$1:
sorry, I dont read blogs. Its a complete waste of my time.

And besides you might have to admit to errors and assumptions.
Actually John Lott's book "More Guns-Less Crime" is thoroughly researched, foot-noted and peer-revued. It's only critics are the Sarah Brady Foundation who denounce it and bring forth their IPCC-like "research" (urban myths, and fabrications.)


I thought he was telling me to go to a site, buddy. And i should have made myself clearer...I will repeat again...

I feel that carrying a concealed weapon is fine, but there should be steps in getting there...not everyone should be able to carry. Nor, should you be able to get a private sale without a background...that is where the problem lies.



Look New york state is not an easy state to get your pistol permit. I went through all the motions. it took about one week of leg work and two months of waiting.

The one week of leg work was fine. the two months for a judge to look at 20 sheets of paper was stupid. Give me a break I did all the leg work, When I was going thourgh the process I came to my own conclusion an uneducated person could not do this. he could never pass the test or run around to get things signed. I clocked about 100 miles on my car doing this. All of this mumbo jumbo was put forward to deter pooor people from getting guns.

Then I looked into it and found the frist New York gun law was the sullivan act and felt I was proved right.

The Sullivan Act, also known as the Sullivan Law, is a controversial gun control law in New York State. Upon first passage, the Sullivan Act required licenses for New Yorkers to possess firearms small enough to be concealed. Possession of such firearms without a license was a misdemeanor, carrying them was a felony. The possession or carrying of weapons such as brass knuckles, sandbags, blackjacks, bludgeons or bombs was a felony, as was possessing or carrying a dagger, "dangerous knife" or razor "with intent to use the same unlawfully". Named for its primary legislative sponsor, state senator Timothy Sullivan, a notoriously corrupt Tammany Hall politician. It dates to 1911, and is still in force, making it one of the older existing gun control laws in the United States.

Many believe the act was to discriminate against immigrants in New York, particularly Italians, as the first person arrested under the law was mobster Giuseppe Costabile [1]. Whether this was part of the law's intent, it was passed on a wave of anti-immigrant rhetoric as a measure to disarm an alleged criminal element. The police granted the licenses, and could easily discriminate against "undesirable" elements. Sponsor "Big Tim" Sullivan reputedly desired the law so that his criminal cohorts could go about their activities unimpeded by citizens defending themselves with concealed handguns.
Statistics showed that gun murders in New York had risen 50 percent from 1910-1911; indeed, in 1910, mayor William Jay Gaynor was shot and seriously wounded (he later died from the wound; see Timeline of New York City crimes and disasters), and there were public calls for regulation of handguns.

   



Blue_Nose @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:16 pm

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:
And besides you might have to admit to errors and assumptions.
Actually John Lott's book "More Guns-Less Crime" is thoroughly researched, foot-noted and peer-revued.
TG, just google "Mary Rosh" to get an idea of how credible Lott is :lol:

He also mysteriously lost all the data in a computer crash that substantiates a lot of the figures he pushes - just before the book was released (I read that in a lot of those peer-reviews samsquanch mentioned).

   



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