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2Cdo @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:55 pm

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Really? That easy huh? lol, they can only get those guns from a illegal source. Which there aren't very much of in Canada, the fact there is that many guns in Canada does not matter because most of them are untouchable for gangs unless they are bought from a illegal vendor.

I guess criminals hacking the gun registry and targetting homes with legal firearms for their illegal acts makes those guns illegal. :roll:

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Anything gunshop bought is recorded, and you require a lisence to buy and operate which is foolish because if they killed anybody with it. It just easily tracks back to that gang member and puts him at the scene of the murder. Like handing down your own warrant for a arrest.

More gibberish which ignores reality.

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Also my scenario was meant to show how stupid it would be carry a gun in public in Canada, you get seen with a gun in Canada and cops take out theres and put you on the ground and handcuff you. You get seen with a gun in America, and that isn't exactly the case.

It is not illegal to carry a legal long firearm in Canada, I have done it on a number of occasions.

Tricks @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:02 pm

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Doesn't that contradict with your first statement?

No, you just struggle with what you say and reading comprehension.

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Where I stated they are bought from illegal vendors, and you said prove it?

You said that there aren't very many illegal vendors.

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lol, they can only get those guns from a illegal source. Which there aren't very much of in Canada,

Then you go on to say that they would have to be bought from Ireland and brought into the country.

Tricks @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:02 pm

Halo_3 Halo_3:

I like Canada, I just hate alot of the people, liek Bill_Hicks and Streaker.

Canadians like you, Tricks, I love. Canadians like you are who I want as my neighbor (country-wise). I am simply defending the US.

Ah, gotcha, I'm with you there.

kal @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:09 pm

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Go to America and you will see gangs or even people with AK-47's, you also got people with M16's, and even military grade sniper rifles.

Really? M16s? Military grade sniper rifles? Tell me what does the USMC scout snipers use? Actually better yet, what do you mean by "Military Grade." Oh and M16s? Have anything to back up that people are walking around with M16s? Do you even know what an M16 is?

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They also got gernades, uzi's and pretty much every weapon they want to have.

Different from Canada how? Maybe you don't understand that if it's obtainable in the States, it's obtainable here.

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Canada however doesn't even come close to have as many guns in the country

We also have a tenth of the population.

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as America does and certonly not as good ones.

Prove that. Back that up with something.

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The best Canadian's can do is find a way to buy guns from other countries like Ireland does and get them into the country.

You're so wrong on that it's frightening.

What I mean by Military grade is weapons that the military uses, such as M16's and sniper rifles.

I also diddn't say people were walking around with M16's did I? I just said they had them... Mind stop putting words in my mouth? thanks. People have M16's, mostly ex military. Every so often they get sold, and become on the menu for all the illegal vendors. How do you think illegal vendors get all there items? People who use to have weapons, needed cash and sold them. Mostly ex military people who have access to people who sell weapons like M16's.

Also no I don't have anything to back it up, but if I did research I could. However without the research I do know for a fact that it does happen. I would only need the research to convince you otherwise.

Also who doesn't know what a M16 is, M16 is a Assault Rifle that the U.S. Military uses currently along with the M9 handgun, the M4 Carbine, XM320, or XM26.

Also it's different in Canada because Canada doesn't have as many assault rifles, or good weapons like the U.S. has. We mostly have sport rifles, handguns, and shotguns.

It is possible to get weapons from the U.S. which does happens, but that's also the matter of succeeding to smuggle it in lol.

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The best Canadian's can do is find a way to buy guns from other countries like Ireland does and get them into the country.

You're so wrong on that it's frightening.

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Also you keep telling me to backup it up, which I could if I wanted to spent time researching it but can you do the same? It's kind of hilarious watching you contradict yourself.[/quote]

The C7 and C8 series assault rifles used by the Canadian Military are better in quality than the AR15 platform used by the US, so yea, we do have high quality assault rifles.

However, again, these weapons are already illegal to own in Canada. Well, at least they can't have automatic fire and the magazines have to be pinned at 5 rounds. So I'm not sure where you're getting at comparing that to the US...

kal @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:10 pm

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

kal kal:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

kal kal:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

kal kal:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Personally, I think you can keep your right to bear arms and all those little freedoms because I like walking down a street without having to worry about some crackhead with a gun pointing a gun to my head and asking for my wallet.

You think a criminal cares about gun control?
and of course freedoms we have that you dont are "those little freedoms"

No a criminal doesn't care about them, but I think it's a little bit harder for a criminal to get a gun that way. Not many Canadian's buy guns, expecially in the city areas. So Canada doesn't have a overstock of guns for sale that can just be bough off by random individuals.

"Hello sir, where are you going with that gun?"
"Oh hi Mr. Cop, uh yeah I was just doing some hunting... yeah that's it"
"Hunting? in the city? may I see your gun lisence please?"

Pretty inaccurate. There is no supporting facts that backup tighter gun control=harder for criminals to get guns. Some folks from toronto I've been talking to mentioned that some gang members there are starting to get snub-nose AK's. Those are already illegal in Canada... so yea...

Go to America and you will see gangs or even people with AK-47's, you also got people with M16's, and even military grade sniper rifles. They also got gernades, uzi's and pretty much every weapon they want to have. There might not be a difference between how people can get guns, although I disagree on that. Canada however doesn't even come close to have as many guns in the country as America does and certonly not as good ones. The best Canadian's can do is find a way to buy guns from other countries like Ireland does and get them into the country.

You're totally missing the cultural point. Why is it that everyone who touts for gun control TOTALLY thinks gun ownership and gun crime is 100% related to guns? People in Canada don't have the desire to own guns that those in the US do. If gun ownership in Canada was 100% legal, I would bet you wouldn't see all that many more of them.

Crime is cultural. Desire to own guns in cultural. You can't compare two countries with different cultures and be like "this one is like that, so if we did that, this would happen." Heck, England all but banned handguns, and since then they've had a 35% increase in gun crime. Know why? Culture. Has nothing to do with the laws. If criminals want guns, they can get them.

Gun crime, gun deaths are all related to guns... being the fact that the person would have to be holding a gun to commit the crime...

I never said they weren't. Perhaps I didn't express myself correctly, what I meant was that you can't 100% blame crime on the tools used. My other point does stand -there is no prooff that banning guns in Canada will prevent criminals from getting them. Infact, there is more evidence to the contrary.

No I can't blame all crime on tools used, but I wasn't talking about other crimes. I was just talking about gun crimes originally. Such as robbing a bank with a gun, or a store, or sticking somebody up for there wallet. I don't know where you get it in your head that I was refering to things like jwalking lol.

More stores and people are robbed with knives every year than with guns. More people are killed and injured every year with knives than with guns. I really don't know why you're hell bent on "guns are bad" when statistically knives are worse and far easier to obtain.

Tricks @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:42 pm

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

What I mean by Military grade is weapons that the military uses, such as M16's and sniper rifles.

So if military grade is things the military uses, and sniper rifles is one of those, wouldn't saying military grade sniper rifle be redundant? But I digress.

Many weapons used in the Military can be obtained by civilians here in Canada. Such as the Beretta you mention later.

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I also diddn't say people were walking around with M16's did I? I just said they had them...

Really? Cause they were banned in the entire country from 1994 to 2004 and it might be banned again. That and a bunch of states have them banned anyways, and people still have them there. Hell they are banned here and people have them here, so what exactly is your point, other then defeating your own argument?

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People have M16's, mostly ex military.

Oh really? How would they obtain them?

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Every so often they get sold, and become on the menu for all the illegal vendors.

You think military personnel are stupid enough to put an assault rifle into the hands of criminals?

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How do you think illegal vendors get all there items? People who use to have weapons, needed cash and sold them. Mostly ex military people who have access to people who sell weapons like M16's.

Uh, no. They are smuggled in from either mexico or overseas. Thanks for coming out.

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Also no I don't have anything to back it up, but if I did research I could. However without the research I do know for a fact that it does happen. I would only need the research to convince you otherwise.

Really? How could you know for a fact if you haven't done research? See I know for a fact that most of the time (albeit not everytime) when firearms or handguns in specific are banned, handgun crime goes up.

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Also who doesn't know what a M16 is, M16 is a Assault Rifle that the U.S. Military uses currently along with the M9 handgun, the M4 Carbine, XM320, or XM26.

Neither the XM320 or the XM26 are standard issue, and have only been issues in small numbers. the m203 is still being used. Hell the XM320 only won the contract in 2006, they aren't going to get them out there that fast. Nice try on the name drop.

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Also it's different in Canada because Canada doesn't have as many assault rifles, or good weapons like the U.S. has. We mostly have sport rifles, handguns, and shotguns.

Because criminals don't need assault rifles. the majority of Canada is unarmed so handguns and shotguns are sufficient.

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It is possible to get weapons from the U.S. which does happens, but that's also the matter of succeeding to smuggle it in lol.

Getting weapons in from the States wouldn't be terribly hard.

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Also you keep telling me to backup it up, which I could if I wanted to spent time researching it but can you do the same? It's kind of hilarious watching you contradict yourself.

I read that quote wrong. I thought you were trying to say we get it from Ireland. Of course we have to bring it in from other countries, just like the States does. I have yet to contradict myself, but thanks for coming out.

EyeBrock @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:53 pm

Streaker Streaker:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Streaker Streaker:

Not necessarily, but steel from the WTC built into a warship?

Not only cheesy, but kinda grotesque.

It's actually a time-honored US Navy tradition to do such things. That you would neither appreciate nor understand the tradition is simply a matter of your own ignorance and not a measure of a quality lacking on the part of New York or the US Navy.

It's a cheesy tradition.

Its an American tradition.
Leave them to their own traditions and show a little tolerance towards people, such as Americans, and their particular cultural traditions instead of sneering at them.

Really, your not exhibiting any behaviour Canadians can be proud of. Are we not supposed to be a welcoming and tolerant society?

Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:52 pm

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Doesn't that contradict with your first statement?

No, you just struggle with what you say and reading comprehension.

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Where I stated they are bought from illegal vendors, and you said prove it?

You said that there aren't very many illegal vendors.

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lol, they can only get those guns from a illegal source. Which there aren't very much of in Canada,

Then you go on to say that they would have to be bought from Ireland and brought into the country.

Heh, I never said they would have bought from Ireland. Apparently we both make reading mistakes. I clearly said JUST. They would have to buy from other countries just like Ireland does.

kal @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:56 pm

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Doesn't that contradict with your first statement?

No, you just struggle with what you say and reading comprehension.

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Where I stated they are bought from illegal vendors, and you said prove it?

You said that there aren't very many illegal vendors.

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lol, they can only get those guns from a illegal source. Which there aren't very much of in Canada,

Then you go on to say that they would have to be bought from Ireland and brought into the country.

Heh, I never said they would have bought from Ireland. Apparently we both make reading mistakes. I clearly said JUST. They would have to buy from other countries just like Ireland does.

A vast majority of firearms that are "on the street" (legal gun owners keep theirs locked in their home or at the range) are either smuggled in from the United States, or more recently, are clones smuggled in from China. This is a problem with our boarder security and CBSA, not Canada's firearm laws.

Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:00 pm

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

What I mean by Military grade is weapons that the military uses, such as M16's and sniper rifles.

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I also diddn't say people were walking around with M16's did I? I just said they had them...

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People have M16's, mostly ex military.

Oh really? How would they obtain them?

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Every so often they get sold, and become on the menu for all the illegal vendors.

You think military personnel are stupid enough to put an assault rifle into the hands of criminals?

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How do you think illegal vendors get all there items? People who use to have weapons, needed cash and sold them. Mostly ex military people who have access to people who sell weapons like M16's.

Uh, no. They are smuggled in from either mexico or overseas. Thanks for coming out.

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Also who doesn't know what a M16 is, M16 is a Assault Rifle that the U.S. Military uses currently along with the M9 handgun, the M4 Carbine, XM320, or XM26.

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Also it's different in Canada because Canada doesn't have as many assault rifles, or good weapons like the U.S. has. We mostly have sport rifles, handguns, and shotguns.

Because criminals don't need assault rifles. the majority of Canada is unarmed so handguns and shotguns are sufficient.

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It is possible to get weapons from the U.S. which does happens, but that's also the matter of succeeding to smuggle it in lol.

Getting weapons in from the States wouldn't be terribly hard.

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Also you keep telling me to backup it up, which I could if I wanted to spent time researching it but can you do the same? It's kind of hilarious watching you contradict yourself.

How am I defeating my own arguement, I say one thing and you say another. Neither I have proved by statement, neither have you disproved mine or proved yours. Spend less time trying to insult my statements and spend more time actually providing evidence to back yours. Personally I don't really care for proving evidence for mine because my statements were a statement of my own opinion. I diddn't expect every body to believe it, and I certonly don't care if they do either.

Continue to ramble about what I say is wrong, contradicting yourself and copying certon things I say then using it as like you disproved me on something.

My favorite was when I stated they buy from illegal vendors, and you stated the exact same thing and used as I never even said it.

Also as for the XM weapons, I don't ever recalling that people buy them in illegal vendors. Do you even take time to read what I write? You asked if I knew what a M16 was, I said yes it was a assault rifle used by the U.S. Army and listed other weapons used by the Army. I never stated that they sold them... I am done talking to you. Argueing with you and continously having to correct you when you mistake a obvious sentence is really annoying.

Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:01 pm

kal kal:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Doesn't that contradict with your first statement?

No, you just struggle with what you say and reading comprehension.

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Where I stated they are bought from illegal vendors, and you said prove it?

You said that there aren't very many illegal vendors.

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lol, they can only get those guns from a illegal source. Which there aren't very much of in Canada,

Then you go on to say that they would have to be bought from Ireland and brought into the country.

Heh, I never said they would have bought from Ireland. Apparently we both make reading mistakes. I clearly said JUST. They would have to buy from other countries just like Ireland does.

What does that have to do with the my quote?

Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:06 pm

kal kal:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

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kal kal:

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kal kal:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

You think a criminal cares about gun control?
and of course freedoms we have that you dont are "those little freedoms"

Gun crime, gun deaths are all related to guns... being the fact that the person would have to be holding a gun to commit the crime...

I'm not bent on guns... Read my original statements please. I used gun crimes as a example for one of my statements. I used GUN CRIMES, not Knife crimes, Not jwalking, not any other crimes and it was just a example. If I knew that example would have been put into this wide spread debate on gun control and everything about gun crimes. I would have never said it. I am done with this topic, it has just completly set off from the original arguement.

kal @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:27 pm

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

kal kal:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

kal kal:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

kal kal:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

kal kal:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

You think a criminal cares about gun control?
and of course freedoms we have that you dont are "those little freedoms"

Gun crime, gun deaths are all related to guns... being the fact that the person would have to be holding a gun to commit the crime...

Meh, fair enough.

SprCForr @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:35 pm

Quote pyramids?

Have a little consideration. Thanks.

Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:40 pm

SprCForr SprCForr:

Quote pyramids?

Have a little consideration. Thanks.

lol

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