US christens '9/11 steel' warship

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Tricks @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:23 pm

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

How am I defeating my own arguement, I say one thing and you say another.

Because you said that Civilians have assault weapons, but they were banned for 10 years recently, and they aren't going to rush out and get them. So if civilians have assault weapons, then the ban did sweet fuck all.

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Spend less time trying to insult my statements and spend more time actually providing evidence to back yours.

I haven't said anything that requires evidence. I'm using your own statements against you.

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Personally I don't really care for proving evidence for mine because my statements were a statement of my own opinion. I diddn't expect every body to believe it, and I certonly don't care if they do either.

So now it isn't fact, it's opinion. Changing tune pretty quick here.

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Continue to ramble about what I say is wrong, contradicting yourself and copying certon things I say then using it as like you disproved me on something.

Where did I contradict myself?

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My favorite was when I stated they buy from illegal vendors, and you stated the exact same thing and used as I never even said it.

Bringing that up again? I already owned you on that. If anyone contradicted themselves it's you. First you say that they have to buy it illegally, but then you say that there aren't many places in canada to buy it illegally, and that it has to be smuggled in from elsewhere. But then you say again that they must buy it illegally. Make up your mind.

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Doesn't that contradict with your first statement?

No, you just struggle with what you say and reading comprehension.

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Where I stated they are bought from illegal vendors, and you said prove it?

You said that there aren't very many illegal vendors.

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lol, they can only get those guns from a illegal source. Which there aren't very much of in Canada,

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Also as for the XM weapons, I don't ever recalling that people buy them in illegal vendors.

I never said that. You name dropped shit that you thought the US army is using right now. When it's only just starting to be phased in, and isn't considered to be standard issue yet.

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Do you even take time to read what I write?

Back at you. Where did I say anything about vendors here?

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Neither the XM320 or the XM26 are standard issue, and have only been issues in small numbers. the m203 is still being used. Hell the XM320 only won the contract in 2006, they aren't going to get them out there that fast. Nice try on the name drop.

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You asked if I knew what a M16 was, I said yes it was a assault rifle used by the U.S. Army and listed other weapons used by the Army.

And I argued that they aren't. You're trying to dodge it by making it look like something else because you shamelessly name dropped shit you have no clue about.

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I never stated that they sold them... I am done talking to you. Argueing with you and continously having to correct you when you mistake a obvious sentence is really annoying.

Look above and then add you're a retard to the end of it.

Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:35 pm

kal kal:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Go to America and you will see gangs or even people with AK-47's, you also got people with M16's, and even military grade sniper rifles.

Really? M16s? Military grade sniper rifles? Tell me what does the USMC scout snipers use? Actually better yet, what do you mean by "Military Grade." Oh and M16s? Have anything to back up that people are walking around with M16s? Do you even know what an M16 is?

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They also got gernades, uzi's and pretty much every weapon they want to have.

Different from Canada how? Maybe you don't understand that if it's obtainable in the States, it's obtainable here.

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Canada however doesn't even come close to have as many guns in the country

We also have a tenth of the population.

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as America does and certonly not as good ones.

Prove that. Back that up with something.

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The best Canadian's can do is find a way to buy guns from other countries like Ireland does and get them into the country.

You're so wrong on that it's frightening.

What I mean by Military grade is weapons that the military uses, such as M16's and sniper rifles.

I also diddn't say people were walking around with M16's did I? I just said they had them... Mind stop putting words in my mouth? thanks. People have M16's, mostly ex military. Every so often they get sold, and become on the menu for all the illegal vendors. How do you think illegal vendors get all there items? People who use to have weapons, needed cash and sold them. Mostly ex military people who have access to people who sell weapons like M16's.

Also no I don't have anything to back it up, but if I did research I could. However without the research I do know for a fact that it does happen. I would only need the research to convince you otherwise.

Also who doesn't know what a M16 is, M16 is a Assault Rifle that the U.S. Military uses currently along with the M9 handgun, the M4 Carbine, XM320, or XM26.

Also it's different in Canada because Canada doesn't have as many assault rifles, or good weapons like the U.S. has. We mostly have sport rifles, handguns, and shotguns.

It is possible to get weapons from the U.S. which does happens, but that's also the matter of succeeding to smuggle it in lol.

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The best Canadian's can do is find a way to buy guns from other countries like Ireland does and get them into the country.

You're so wrong on that it's frightening.

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Also you keep telling me to backup it up, which I could if I wanted to spent time researching it but can you do the same? It's kind of hilarious watching you contradict yourself.

The C7 and C8 series assault rifles used by the Canadian Military are better in quality than the AR15 platform used by the US, so yea, we do have high quality assault rifles.

However, again, these weapons are already illegal to own in Canada. Well, at least they can't have automatic fire and the magazines have to be pinned at 5 rounds. So I'm not sure where you're getting at comparing that to the US...[/quote]

I wasn't talking about weapons in the country, what the Army has is not what I was talking about. I was talking about the current weapons that are being sold in these illegal vendors. There arent any C7 or C8 series being sold seeing how there aren't very many of them, and they are only given to the Canadian Forces. Even the Canadian Military at one point was having a hard time issuing them to Canadian Forces in Afghanistan unti'll a upgrade one was made and manifactured and we gave our old ones to the ANA.

For the record though, Still out of this arguement

Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:41 pm

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

How am I defeating my own arguement, I say one thing and you say another.

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Spend less time trying to insult my statements and spend more time actually providing evidence to back yours.

I haven't said anything that requires evidence. I'm using your own statements against you.

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So now it isn't fact, it's opinion. Changing tune pretty quick here.

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Continue to ramble about what I say is wrong, contradicting yourself and copying certon things I say then using it as like you disproved me on something.

Where did I contradict myself?

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My favorite was when I stated they buy from illegal vendors, and you stated the exact same thing and used as I never even said it.

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Doesn't that contradict with your first statement?

No, you just struggle with what you say and reading comprehension.

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Where I stated they are bought from illegal vendors, and you said prove it?

You said that there aren't very many illegal vendors.

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lol, they can only get those guns from a illegal source. Which there aren't very much of in Canada,

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Also as for the XM weapons, I don't ever recalling that people buy them in illegal vendors.

I never said that. You name dropped shit that you thought the US army is using right now. When it's only just starting to be phased in, and isn't considered to be standard issue yet.

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Do you even take time to read what I write?

Back at you. Where did I say anything about vendors here?

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You asked if I knew what a M16 was, I said yes it was a assault rifle used by the U.S. Army and listed other weapons used by the Army.

And I argued that they aren't. You're trying to dodge it by making it look like something else because you shamelessly name dropped shit you have no clue about.

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I never stated that they sold them... I am done talking to you. Argueing with you and continously having to correct you when you mistake a obvious sentence is really annoying.

Look above and then add you're a retard to the end of it.

Ok first of all, I wasn't dodging anything. I don't see how I was when I was clearly explaining myself, and correcting your miss understanding of my post.

Second of all, I never stated they sold any of the XM guns. I only stated they sold M16's, quote me where I directly said "Illegal vendors were selling M16's 'and XM Series Guns'. If you can't find it (Because it doesn't exist) then you are retarted not me. Anyways seeing how I am done with this, I am ditching this thread so any replies you might make will be completly pointless because honestly I am tierd of argueing with you. I posted Gun Crime as a example for a post and you completly expanded that into this useless debate which neither you are I have won. Congratulations on that. You are truely the mastermind of creating usefull arguements :lol:

. I can't wait for the next comment I make on another thread to be expanded beyond it's purpose and turned into another long useless debate by you. I look forward to it.

romanP @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:43 am

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Nothing new there. Most of the world has hated us from our inception. We don't really give a crap if we're popular with asshats. Frankly, the fact that jerkwits like you don't like us tells us that we're doing something right.

Any intelligent, reasonable, sane person would realise that this is backward thinking. If most of the world doesn't like you, it's because you're doing something wrong.

romanP @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:50 am

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I find this is the common theme among those who hate America. They hate us because we don't pay the same amount of taxes on our petrol as anyone else in the world does, they hate us because we don't pay the same income taxes they do, they hate us because we have far less bureacracy in our way when we want to start a business, they hate us because we're free to say what we want no matter who it offends, they hate us because as bad as things are in the USA with Homeland Security and all, we're still much freer than they are.

You just keep right on believing that propaganda.

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As bad as liberty may be in the USA right now, it is worse *everywhere* else.

romanP @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:06 am

kal kal:

romanP romanP:

kal kal:

As for the ship.. it's 7.5 tons of 42,000. That means that 0.0002% of the ship is made with WTC steel. Anyone working in the construction business now knows that steel is a pain in the ass to get, so why not recycle a bit of it? There was a lot of salvagable steel left over from WTC so it makes sense that a very small fraction of it makes it's way into shipping. Sure, it's being used as a propaganda tool -but as Bart pointed out, this is a bit of an American tradition. Just because we'd do things differently here in Canada doesn't mean it's wrong in the United States.

But this isn't just any kind of recycling, or else someone would also point out that 2,645,276.4 Coke cans went into making the ship as well.

If I had known anyone that had died in the World Trade Centre, I would be offended that anyone would emphasise, for nationalistic purposes, that its steel had been used to make a battleship. In fact, I don't know anyone who died in the World Trade Centre, and I still find the whole idea offensive.

No one pointed it out because:

1) Ships are made of steel, coke cans aren't,

I was hoping you would be smarter than to think you needed to point that out. This is rather disappointing.

But since you have missed the forest for the trees, let me spell it out for you: They didn't go out of their way to make the point that ANY other material from ANY other source went into making the ship.

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2) In the US of A, that ship is symbolic for them. Just because you don't understand or support it doesn't make it wrong.

I do understand it, and I think it's nothing more than another peice of nationalistic propaganda being used to make people think that making more war is going to solve this "terrorism" problem. I'm not denying that it's symbolic, it's what it symbolises that I have a problem with.

Tricks @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:14 am

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

How am I defeating my own arguement, I say one thing and you say another.

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Spend less time trying to insult my statements and spend more time actually providing evidence to back yours.

I haven't said anything that requires evidence. I'm using your own statements against you.

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So now it isn't fact, it's opinion. Changing tune pretty quick here.

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Continue to ramble about what I say is wrong, contradicting yourself and copying certon things I say then using it as like you disproved me on something.

Where did I contradict myself?

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My favorite was when I stated they buy from illegal vendors, and you stated the exact same thing and used as I never even said it.

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Doesn't that contradict with your first statement?

No, you just struggle with what you say and reading comprehension.

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Where I stated they are bought from illegal vendors, and you said prove it?

You said that there aren't very many illegal vendors.

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lol, they can only get those guns from a illegal source. Which there aren't very much of in Canada,

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Also as for the XM weapons, I don't ever recalling that people buy them in illegal vendors.

I never said that. You name dropped shit that you thought the US army is using right now. When it's only just starting to be phased in, and isn't considered to be standard issue yet.

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Do you even take time to read what I write?

Back at you. Where did I say anything about vendors here?

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You asked if I knew what a M16 was, I said yes it was a assault rifle used by the U.S. Army and listed other weapons used by the Army.

And I argued that they aren't. You're trying to dodge it by making it look like something else because you shamelessly name dropped shit you have no clue about.

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I never stated that they sold them... I am done talking to you. Argueing with you and continously having to correct you when you mistake a obvious sentence is really annoying.

Look above and then add you're a retard to the end of it.

. I can't wait for the next comment I make on another thread to be expanded beyond it's purpose and turned into another long useless debate by you. I look forward to it.

I never said anything about XM320 and XM26 being sold by vendors. I was talking about the U.S. Military, like you were. Fuck you are so dense. Show me where I said that. Please.

ManifestDestiny @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:13 am

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

How am I defeating my own arguement, I say one thing and you say another.

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Spend less time trying to insult my statements and spend more time actually providing evidence to back yours.

I haven't said anything that requires evidence. I'm using your own statements against you.

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So now it isn't fact, it's opinion. Changing tune pretty quick here.

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Continue to ramble about what I say is wrong, contradicting yourself and copying certon things I say then using it as like you disproved me on something.

Where did I contradict myself?

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My favorite was when I stated they buy from illegal vendors, and you stated the exact same thing and used as I never even said it.

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Doesn't that contradict with your first statement?

No, you just struggle with what you say and reading comprehension.

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Where I stated they are bought from illegal vendors, and you said prove it?

You said that there aren't very many illegal vendors.

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lol, they can only get those guns from a illegal source. Which there aren't very much of in Canada,

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Also as for the XM weapons, I don't ever recalling that people buy them in illegal vendors.

I never said that. You name dropped shit that you thought the US army is using right now. When it's only just starting to be phased in, and isn't considered to be standard issue yet.

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Do you even take time to read what I write?

Back at you. Where did I say anything about vendors here?

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You asked if I knew what a M16 was, I said yes it was a assault rifle used by the U.S. Army and listed other weapons used by the Army.

And I argued that they aren't. You're trying to dodge it by making it look like something else because you shamelessly name dropped shit you have no clue about.

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I never stated that they sold them... I am done talking to you. Argueing with you and continously having to correct you when you mistake a obvious sentence is really annoying.

Look above and then add you're a retard to the end of it.

. I can't wait for the next comment I make on another thread to be expanded beyond it's purpose and turned into another long useless debate by you. I look forward to it.

I never said anything about XM320 and XM26 being sold by vendors. I was talking about the U.S. Military, like you were. Fuck you are so dense. Show me where I said that. Please.

He does the same to me claims i ahve written things I never wrote. Whent even as far as saying I started threads that I never started. I dont think he looks who worte what?

Tricks @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:16 am

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

He does the same to me claims i ahve written things I never wrote. Whent even as far as saying I started threads that I never started. I dont think he looks who worte what?

Maybe he is just mildly retarded. Can you see what the fuck he's talking about? He thinks I contradicted myself; I didn't. He thinks I said something about vendors selling grenade launchers; I didn't. Wtf?

ManifestDestiny @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:21 am

Tricks Tricks:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

He does the same to me claims i ahve written things I never wrote. Whent even as far as saying I started threads that I never started. I dont think he looks who worte what?

Yeah I read everything, You never said anythiing like that. my debate with him went the same route,wasted a ton of time going back and looking to make sure I wrote what I worte, he makes up stuff in his head. does the same to me. Then when he starts to lose the argument and catch him cantradicting himself he makes up even more things to make himself look right.

Its not worth it trust me.

Tricks @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:29 am

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

Tricks Tricks:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

He does the same to me claims i ahve written things I never wrote. Whent even as far as saying I started threads that I never started. I dont think he looks who worte what?

He sounds like BH. Probably a friend of his. :roll:

ManifestDestiny @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:29 am

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As bad as liberty may be in the USA right now, it is worse *everywhere* else.

Including all of the countries that still recognise habeas corpus, and have actually legislated more rights in recent years, including the right for all consenting adults to marry, regardless of their sexuality?

Yep, you just keep right on believing that.[/quote]

Why the USA does not recognize Habeus corpus for its ctizens? And are you sure Canada does?

And just cause you let homosexuals marry does not make you a freer country. Then in your thoughts about 99% of the world is not free. Marriage, as defined by the civil law, is presently available to same-sex couples in five jurisdictions. The Netherlands was the first country to allow same-sex marriage in 2001. Same-sex marriages are also recognized in Belgium, Spain, Canada and South Africa.

At present, Massachusetts is the only state in the United States that allows same-sex couples to obtain marriage licenses. So if you want to pay high taxes and get married to your partner move to Massachusetts.

And the only reason Canada has it is cause we dont. So people like you can sit with a cheesy smile on your face and say "look see told you so we are freer"

BartSimpson @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:51 am

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Also my scenario was meant to show how stupid it would be carry a gun in public in Canada, you get seen with a gun in Canada and cops take out theres and put you on the ground and handcuff you. You get seen with a gun in America, and that isn't exactly the case.

You don't understand the concept of concealed very well do you.

No, the dumbass thinks we all walk around looking like Gary Cooper in High Noon.

BartSimpson @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:58 am

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

And just cause you let homosexuals marry does not make you a freer country.

Quite to the contrary, recognition of "rights" for homosexuals in the late 1970's and early 1980's correspond to the increase in homosexual child molestation in the USA. While most heterosexual molestations (per capita) declined over the past forty years (women with boys is on the increase - go figure) homosexual & lesbian molestation incidents have risen dramatically.

So while one may argue that homosexuals are more free now than they used to be, little boys clearly are less free than they used to be.

My local TV station had a program that touched on this last night linking one aspect of childhood obesity to the fact that parents do not find it safe to let their children go out and play unobserved. Thus the kids only get exercise when they are with an adult.

So the freaks can celebrate the decline of traditional values all they want, the result of their libertine perversions is that little kids are not safe to be alone in their own front yards anymore.

Tricks @ Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:59 am

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

You don't understand the concept of concealed very well do you.

No, the dumbass thinks we all walk around looking like Gary Cooper in High Noon.

:lol: Probably thinks it would be like Grand Theft Auto.

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