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kal @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:08 pm
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
kal kal:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Personally, I think you can keep your right to bear arms and all those little freedoms because I like walking down a street without having to worry about some crackhead with a gun pointing a gun to my head and asking for my wallet.
You think a criminal cares about gun control?
and of course freedoms we have that you dont are "those little freedoms"
No a criminal doesn't care about them, but I think it's a little bit harder for a criminal to get a gun that way. Not many Canadian's buy guns, expecially in the city areas. So Canada doesn't have a overstock of guns for sale that can just be bough off by random individuals.
"Hello sir, where are you going with that gun?"
"Oh hi Mr. Cop, uh yeah I was just doing some hunting... yeah that's it"
"Hunting? in the city? may I see your gun lisence please?"
Pretty inaccurate. There is no supporting facts that backup tighter gun control=harder for criminals to get guns. Some folks from toronto I've been talking to mentioned that some gang members there are starting to get snub-nose AK's. Those are already illegal in Canada... so yea...
Go to America and you will see gangs or even people with AK-47's, you also got people with M16's, and even military grade sniper rifles. They also got gernades, uzi's and pretty much every weapon they want to have. There might not be a difference between how people can get guns, although I disagree on that. Canada however doesn't even come close to have as many guns in the country as America does and certonly not as good ones. The best Canadian's can do is find a way to buy guns from other countries like Ireland does and get them into the country.
You're totally missing the cultural point. Why is it that everyone who touts for gun control TOTALLY thinks gun ownership and gun crime is 100% related to guns? People in Canada don't have the desire to own guns that those in the US do. If gun ownership in Canada was 100% legal, I would bet you wouldn't see all that many more of them.
Crime is cultural. Desire to own guns in cultural. You can't compare two countries with different cultures and be like "this one is like that, so if we did that, this would happen." Heck, England all but banned handguns, and since then they've had a 35% increase in gun crime. Know why? Culture. Has nothing to do with the laws. If criminals want guns, they can get them.
Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:09 pm
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
No a criminal doesn't care about them, but I think it's a little bit harder for a criminal to get a gun that way. Not many Canadian's buy guns, expecially in the city areas. So Canada doesn't have a overstock of guns for sale that can just be bough off by random individuals.
It is very easy for criminals to get guns in Canada, to think otherwise is foolish. Also, in Canada there are over 30 million weapons spread out over several million gun owners. Your last sentence is just anti-gun gibberish.
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"Hello sir, where are you going with that gun?"
"Oh hi Mr. Cop, uh yeah I was just doing some hunting... yeah that's it"
"Hunting? in the city? may I see your gun lisence please?"
"Oh hi Mr. Cop, uh yeah I was just doing some hunting... yeah that's it"
"Hunting? in the city? may I see your gun lisence please?"
Your ignorance of gun laws shows with your moronic scenario.
Really? That easy huh? lol, they can only get those guns from a illegal source. Which there aren't very much of in Canada, the fact there is that many guns in Canada does not matter because most of them are untouchable for gangs unless they are bought from a illegal vendor.
Anything gunshop bought is recorded, and you require a lisence to buy and operate which is foolish because if they killed anybody with it. It just easily tracks back to that gang member and puts him at the scene of the murder. Like handing down your own warrant for a arrest.
Also my scenario was meant to show how stupid it would be carry a gun in public in Canada, you get seen with a gun in Canada and cops take out theres and put you on the ground and handcuff you. You get seen with a gun in America, and that isn't exactly the case.
Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:10 pm
kal kal:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
kal kal:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Personally, I think you can keep your right to bear arms and all those little freedoms because I like walking down a street without having to worry about some crackhead with a gun pointing a gun to my head and asking for my wallet.
You think a criminal cares about gun control?
and of course freedoms we have that you dont are "those little freedoms"
No a criminal doesn't care about them, but I think it's a little bit harder for a criminal to get a gun that way. Not many Canadian's buy guns, expecially in the city areas. So Canada doesn't have a overstock of guns for sale that can just be bough off by random individuals.
"Hello sir, where are you going with that gun?"
"Oh hi Mr. Cop, uh yeah I was just doing some hunting... yeah that's it"
"Hunting? in the city? may I see your gun lisence please?"
Pretty inaccurate. There is no supporting facts that backup tighter gun control=harder for criminals to get guns. Some folks from toronto I've been talking to mentioned that some gang members there are starting to get snub-nose AK's. Those are already illegal in Canada... so yea...
Go to America and you will see gangs or even people with AK-47's, you also got people with M16's, and even military grade sniper rifles. They also got gernades, uzi's and pretty much every weapon they want to have. There might not be a difference between how people can get guns, although I disagree on that. Canada however doesn't even come close to have as many guns in the country as America does and certonly not as good ones. The best Canadian's can do is find a way to buy guns from other countries like Ireland does and get them into the country.
You're totally missing the cultural point. Why is it that everyone who touts for gun control TOTALLY thinks gun ownership and gun crime is 100% related to guns? People in Canada don't have the desire to own guns that those in the US do. If gun ownership in Canada was 100% legal, I would bet you wouldn't see all that many more of them.
Crime is cultural. Desire to own guns in cultural. You can't compare two countries with different cultures and be like "this one is like that, so if we did that, this would happen." Heck, England all but banned handguns, and since then they've had a 35% increase in gun crime. Know why? Culture. Has nothing to do with the laws. If criminals want guns, they can get them.
Gun crime, gun deaths are all related to guns... being the fact that the person would have to be holding a gun to commit the crime...
kal @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:10 pm
Halo_3 Halo_3:
If my "lame attempt" at bashing Canada was so lame, why'd you respond to it? Why did I piss off other people like Arctic_Menace and Bill_Hicks? Obviously, I struck a nerve, which means I am having some effect on you people.
About the beer thing, I highly doubt that is what you were trying to do. You're just another typical canuck bringing up the beer argument.
About the beer thing, I highly doubt that is what you were trying to do. You're just another typical canuck bringing up the beer argument.
I can't speak for them, so I don't know.
As far as I'm concerned, stupidity on the internet bothers me. Hence you bother me. Besides, I wanted to see if you actually do have an argument, or if you're just a troll. I'm thinking troll at this point.
kal @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:13 pm
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
kal kal:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
kal kal:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Personally, I think you can keep your right to bear arms and all those little freedoms because I like walking down a street without having to worry about some crackhead with a gun pointing a gun to my head and asking for my wallet.
You think a criminal cares about gun control?
and of course freedoms we have that you dont are "those little freedoms"
No a criminal doesn't care about them, but I think it's a little bit harder for a criminal to get a gun that way. Not many Canadian's buy guns, expecially in the city areas. So Canada doesn't have a overstock of guns for sale that can just be bough off by random individuals.
"Hello sir, where are you going with that gun?"
"Oh hi Mr. Cop, uh yeah I was just doing some hunting... yeah that's it"
"Hunting? in the city? may I see your gun lisence please?"
Pretty inaccurate. There is no supporting facts that backup tighter gun control=harder for criminals to get guns. Some folks from toronto I've been talking to mentioned that some gang members there are starting to get snub-nose AK's. Those are already illegal in Canada... so yea...
Go to America and you will see gangs or even people with AK-47's, you also got people with M16's, and even military grade sniper rifles. They also got gernades, uzi's and pretty much every weapon they want to have. There might not be a difference between how people can get guns, although I disagree on that. Canada however doesn't even come close to have as many guns in the country as America does and certonly not as good ones. The best Canadian's can do is find a way to buy guns from other countries like Ireland does and get them into the country.
You're totally missing the cultural point. Why is it that everyone who touts for gun control TOTALLY thinks gun ownership and gun crime is 100% related to guns? People in Canada don't have the desire to own guns that those in the US do. If gun ownership in Canada was 100% legal, I would bet you wouldn't see all that many more of them.
Crime is cultural. Desire to own guns in cultural. You can't compare two countries with different cultures and be like "this one is like that, so if we did that, this would happen." Heck, England all but banned handguns, and since then they've had a 35% increase in gun crime. Know why? Culture. Has nothing to do with the laws. If criminals want guns, they can get them.
Gun crime, gun deaths are all related to guns... being the fact that the person would have to be holding a gun to commit the crime...
I never said they weren't. Perhaps I didn't express myself correctly, what I meant was that you can't 100% blame crime on the tools used. My other point does stand -there is no prooff that banning guns in Canada will prevent criminals from getting them. Infact, there is more evidence to the contrary.
Tricks @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:25 pm
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Which there aren't very much of in Canada, the fact there is that many guns in Canada does not matter because most of them are untouchable for gangs unless they are bought from a illegal vendor.
Prove that there aren't very many illegal vendors in Canada. $1:
Anything gunshop bought is recorded, and you require a lisence to buy and operate which is foolish because if they killed anybody with it. It just easily tracks back to that gang member and puts him at the scene of the murder. Like handing down your own warrant for a arrest.
Gang members don't use weapons bought from a gun shop for this reason, and the fact they would not be able to obtain one. So how is there so many shootings in Canada with unregistered firearms? Maybe because it's bought from an illegal vendor $1:
Also my scenario was meant to show how stupid it would be carry a gun in public in Canada, you get seen with a gun in Canada and cops take out theres and put you on the ground and handcuff you. You get seen with a gun in America, and that isn't exactly the case.
You don't understand the concept of concealed very well do you.
Tricks @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:30 pm
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Go to America and you will see gangs or even people with AK-47's, you also got people with M16's, and even military grade sniper rifles.
Really? M16s? Military grade sniper rifles? Tell me what does the USMC scout snipers use? Actually better yet, what do you mean by "Military Grade." Oh and M16s? Have anything to back up that people are walking around with M16s? Do you even know what an M16 is?$1:
They also got gernades, uzi's and pretty much every weapon they want to have.
Different from Canada how? Maybe you don't understand that if it's obtainable in the States, it's obtainable here. $1:
Canada however doesn't even come close to have as many guns in the country
We also have a tenth of the population. $1:
as America does and certonly not as good ones.
Prove that. Back that up with something. $1:
The best Canadian's can do is find a way to buy guns from other countries like Ireland does and get them into the country.
You're so wrong on that it's frightening.
Tricks @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:33 pm
Why don't you like Canada Halo?
kal @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:36 pm
Halo_3 Halo_3:
Instead of calling names, put some substance into your argument.
Funny, I said the same thing to you.
Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:45 pm
Tricks Tricks:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Which there aren't very much of in Canada, the fact there is that many guns in Canada does not matter because most of them are untouchable for gangs unless they are bought from a illegal vendor.
Prove that there aren't very many illegal vendors in Canada. $1:
Anything gunshop bought is recorded, and you require a lisence to buy and operate which is foolish because if they killed anybody with it. It just easily tracks back to that gang member and puts him at the scene of the murder. Like handing down your own warrant for a arrest.
Gang members don't use weapons bought from a gun shop for this reason, and the fact they would not be able to obtain one. So how is there so many shootings in Canada with unregistered firearms? Maybe because it's bought from an illegal vendor $1:
Also my scenario was meant to show how stupid it would be carry a gun in public in Canada, you get seen with a gun in Canada and cops take out theres and put you on the ground and handcuff you. You get seen with a gun in America, and that isn't exactly the case.
You don't understand the concept of concealed very well do you."So how is there so many shootings in Canada with unregistered firearms? Maybe because it's bought from an illegal vendor"
Doesn't that contradict with your first statement? Where I stated they are bought from illegal vendors, and you said prove it? Rofl, I got no time for ring around the rosy where you just copy what I say.
Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:47 pm
Halo_3 Halo_3:
I like Canada, I just hate alot of the people, liek Bill_Hicks and Streaker.
Canadians like you, Tricks, I love. Canadians like you are who I want as my neighbor (country-wise). I am simply defending the US.
Canadians like you, Tricks, I love. Canadians like you are who I want as my neighbor (country-wise). I am simply defending the US.
No you aren't... I asked you explain why you hated Canada. Then you got all pissy at me, and called me a idiot. Explain the part wheres your defending America lol.
Also you like Canada? Wern't you just stating how you disliked Canada, and it was a shitty country and all that? Hmm, wierd.
Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:03 pm
Tricks Tricks:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Go to America and you will see gangs or even people with AK-47's, you also got people with M16's, and even military grade sniper rifles.
Really? M16s? Military grade sniper rifles? Tell me what does the USMC scout snipers use? Actually better yet, what do you mean by "Military Grade." Oh and M16s? Have anything to back up that people are walking around with M16s? Do you even know what an M16 is?$1:
They also got gernades, uzi's and pretty much every weapon they want to have.
Different from Canada how? Maybe you don't understand that if it's obtainable in the States, it's obtainable here. $1:
Canada however doesn't even come close to have as many guns in the country
We also have a tenth of the population. $1:
as America does and certonly not as good ones.
Prove that. Back that up with something. $1:
The best Canadian's can do is find a way to buy guns from other countries like Ireland does and get them into the country.
You're so wrong on that it's frightening.What I mean by Military grade is weapons that the military uses, such as M16's and sniper rifles.
I also diddn't say people were walking around with M16's did I? I just said they had them... Mind stop putting words in my mouth? thanks. People have M16's, mostly ex military. Every so often they get sold, and become on the menu for all the illegal vendors. How do you think illegal vendors get all there items? People who use to have weapons, needed cash and sold them. Mostly ex military people who have access to people who sell weapons like M16's.
Also no I don't have anything to back it up, but if I did research I could. However without the research I do know for a fact that it does happen. I would only need the research to convince you otherwise.
Also who doesn't know what a M16 is, M16 is a Assault Rifle that the U.S. Military uses currently along with the M9 handgun, the M4 Carbine, XM320, or XM26.
Also it's different in Canada because Canada doesn't have as many assault rifles, or good weapons like the U.S. has. We mostly have sport rifles, handguns, and shotguns.
It is possible to get weapons from the U.S. which does happens, but that's also the matter of succeeding to smuggle it in lol.
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$1:
The best Canadian's can do is find a way to buy guns from other countries like Ireland does and get them into the country.
You're so wrong on that it's frightening.[/quote]"
Also you keep telling me to backup it up, which I could if I wanted to spent time researching it but can you do the same? It's kind of hilarious watching you contradict yourself.
Bacardi4206 @ Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:08 pm
kal kal:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
kal kal:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
kal kal:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
saturn_656 saturn_656:
Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
Personally, I think you can keep your right to bear arms and all those little freedoms because I like walking down a street without having to worry about some crackhead with a gun pointing a gun to my head and asking for my wallet.
You think a criminal cares about gun control?
and of course freedoms we have that you dont are "those little freedoms"
No a criminal doesn't care about them, but I think it's a little bit harder for a criminal to get a gun that way. Not many Canadian's buy guns, expecially in the city areas. So Canada doesn't have a overstock of guns for sale that can just be bough off by random individuals.
"Hello sir, where are you going with that gun?"
"Oh hi Mr. Cop, uh yeah I was just doing some hunting... yeah that's it"
"Hunting? in the city? may I see your gun lisence please?"
Pretty inaccurate. There is no supporting facts that backup tighter gun control=harder for criminals to get guns. Some folks from toronto I've been talking to mentioned that some gang members there are starting to get snub-nose AK's. Those are already illegal in Canada... so yea...
Go to America and you will see gangs or even people with AK-47's, you also got people with M16's, and even military grade sniper rifles. They also got gernades, uzi's and pretty much every weapon they want to have. There might not be a difference between how people can get guns, although I disagree on that. Canada however doesn't even come close to have as many guns in the country as America does and certonly not as good ones. The best Canadian's can do is find a way to buy guns from other countries like Ireland does and get them into the country.
You're totally missing the cultural point. Why is it that everyone who touts for gun control TOTALLY thinks gun ownership and gun crime is 100% related to guns? People in Canada don't have the desire to own guns that those in the US do. If gun ownership in Canada was 100% legal, I would bet you wouldn't see all that many more of them.
Crime is cultural. Desire to own guns in cultural. You can't compare two countries with different cultures and be like "this one is like that, so if we did that, this would happen." Heck, England all but banned handguns, and since then they've had a 35% increase in gun crime. Know why? Culture. Has nothing to do with the laws. If criminals want guns, they can get them.
Gun crime, gun deaths are all related to guns... being the fact that the person would have to be holding a gun to commit the crime...
I never said they weren't. Perhaps I didn't express myself correctly, what I meant was that you can't 100% blame crime on the tools used. My other point does stand -there is no prooff that banning guns in Canada will prevent criminals from getting them. Infact, there is more evidence to the contrary.
No I can't blame all crime on tools used, but I wasn't talking about other crimes. I was just talking about gun crimes originally. Such as robbing a bank with a gun, or a store, or sticking somebody up for there wallet. I don't know where you get it in your head that I was refering to things like jwalking lol.
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