West London tower block engulfs the 27-storey building
DrCaleb @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:55 am
martin14 martin14:
Company that makes the insulation will say it's fireproof, company that installed it will say they did it properly, company that supervised it will say all was done properly, consulting company will say all ok, council admin will say fair and open tender won fairly and all signed off.
Fact is they are still putting polystyrene on the outside of buildings,
and that stuff will burn.
Fact is they are still putting polystyrene on the outside of buildings,
and that stuff will burn.
And everyone that signed off on creating a 27 story bonfire should go to jail.
martin14 @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:56 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
martin14 martin14:
Company that makes the insulation will say it's fireproof, company that installed it will say they did it properly, company that supervised it will say all was done properly, consulting company will say all ok, council admin will say fair and open tender won fairly and all signed off.
Fact is they are still putting polystyrene on the outside of buildings,
and that stuff will burn.
Fact is they are still putting polystyrene on the outside of buildings,
and that stuff will burn.
And everyone that signed off on creating a 27 story bonfire should go to jail.
It's the UK. I guarantee no one is going to jail.
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The MPs highlighted concerns that the small air cavity between the layers of cladding can act as a chimney, helping the fire spread rapidly upwards. Their report demanded that 'all external cladding systems should be required either to be entirely non-combustible, or to be proved through full-scale testing not to pose an unacceptable level of risk in terms of fire spread'.
But the method was popular as councils sought to meet insulation standards laid out under the Blair Government's £22billion Decent Homes Programme, which ran from 2000 to 2010. It continued to be used even after the 2009 fire at the 14-storey Lakanal House in Camberwell, South East London, which killed six people.
Sam Webb, a fire safety expert who helped gather evidence after that tragedy, said last night there was a conflict between safety and the materials used to make buildings more energy efficient.
'They are not fire-resistant and in some cases they're flammable,' he said
Grenfell Tower was clad last year as part of an £8.6million refurbishment by East Sussex-based builders Rydon, which said yesterday that its work 'met all required building controls'.
Yet the company admits on its website that the insulation material used, Celotex RS5000, 'will burn if exposed to a fire of sufficient heat and intensity… [and] toxic gases will be released with combustion'.
Design specifications seen by the Mail suggests Grenfell Tower had 150mm (6in) of Celotex RS5000 insulation and overcladding made from ACM – aluminium composite material – with a 50mm (2in) 'ventilated cavity' in between.
ACM is also potentially highly flammable and rescuers yesterday faced the hazard of blazing metal panels raining down on them as they tried to enter the building.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4k5hNxE6d
But the method was popular as councils sought to meet insulation standards laid out under the Blair Government's £22billion Decent Homes Programme, which ran from 2000 to 2010. It continued to be used even after the 2009 fire at the 14-storey Lakanal House in Camberwell, South East London, which killed six people.
Sam Webb, a fire safety expert who helped gather evidence after that tragedy, said last night there was a conflict between safety and the materials used to make buildings more energy efficient.
'They are not fire-resistant and in some cases they're flammable,' he said
Grenfell Tower was clad last year as part of an £8.6million refurbishment by East Sussex-based builders Rydon, which said yesterday that its work 'met all required building controls'.
Yet the company admits on its website that the insulation material used, Celotex RS5000, 'will burn if exposed to a fire of sufficient heat and intensity… [and] toxic gases will be released with combustion'.
Design specifications seen by the Mail suggests Grenfell Tower had 150mm (6in) of Celotex RS5000 insulation and overcladding made from ACM – aluminium composite material – with a 50mm (2in) 'ventilated cavity' in between.
ACM is also potentially highly flammable and rescuers yesterday faced the hazard of blazing metal panels raining down on them as they tried to enter the building.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4k5hNxE6d
DrCaleb @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:18 am
Aluminum wool. Fucking retards.
It wasn't used in flashbulbs or anything. Perfectly safe, totally fireproof!
I don't think there is a good enough emote to properly enhance that sarcasm.
martin14 @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:27 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Perfectly safe, totally fireproof!
The word you are missing is legal.
Thanos @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:37 am
Gonna be hilarious if they find out that substandard or clearly hazardous materials were being approved for use because some Austerity Hero at a government desk decided somewhere along the line that code-satisfactory materials "cost too much". Or, even worse, that the government downgraded the codes to make hazardous materials acceptable. This is just like the toxic water crisis in Flint, Michigan, where a few arbitrary decisions on saving a few bucks ended up getting people killed.
Those austerity-obsessed fucks in Britain got rid of 20000 cops since 2009 and mothballed half of the Royal Navy and the entire Fleet Air Arm. With that kind of attitude running amok there's no way one of them somewhere isn't responsible for screwing around with construction requirements on public projects in order to meet their sacred cost-cutting agenda.
xerxes @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:41 am
There is some precedent for punishment. A 2009 fire at a complex which killed 6 people resulted in a guilty plea from the council that ran the building on charges of ignoring fire safety regulations. No jail, but a substantial fine.
Thanos @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:15 am
This is why I don't mind not being on any of the job sites in Alberta anymore. I hate to think about what some of the superstars among the Kutback Kids are up to these days to save money these days on safety. It's how genuinely stupid industries can get when this kind of mentality gets enforced from the top on down. Remember Deepwater Horizon, where to save what was essentially pennies in an extra half-million dollars on a better blow-out preventer BP ended up losing billions in lost oil, clean-up, endless lawsuits, and now has a public image that is permanently destroyed.
BartSimpson @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:22 am
xerxes xerxes:
There is some precedent for punishment. A 2009 fire at a complex which killed 6 people resulted in a guilty plea from the council that ran the building on charges of ignoring fire safety regulations. No jail, but a substantial fine.
IOW they're going to get away with it again.
DrCaleb @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:28 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
xerxes xerxes:
There is some precedent for punishment. A 2009 fire at a complex which killed 6 people resulted in a guilty plea from the council that ran the building on charges of ignoring fire safety regulations. No jail, but a substantial fine.
IOW they're going to get away with it again.
Because a fine is not a deterrent. Start throwing people in Pentonville, and see how many 'laws' get changed.
BartSimpson @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:40 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Because a fine is not a deterrent. Start throwing people in Pentonville, and see how many 'laws' get changed.
Yep. They'll immediately legalize graft, arson, and malfeasance.
fifeboy @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:53 am
martin14 martin14:
It's the UK. I guarantee no one is going to jail.
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Unless, of course, Lord Huffenpuff was injured or died in the flames.
Strutz @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:35 pm
They are saying that it could be weeks before they are able to finish searching the building to confirm fatalities. It's heartbreaking to know there are still so many people unaccounted for.
BartSimpson @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:56 pm
Lots of raw video over at Live Leak. Nothing gross or NSFW (at least that I've come across) but a lot of video from inside the building from people who managed to make it out.
Hyack @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:01 pm
Death toll now at 17, still expected to rise. Thirty people remain in hospital - 15 of whom are in a critical condition. Fire crews rescued 65 adults and children, but some stayed in their homes, trapped by smoke and flames.
Jabberwalker @ Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:32 pm
Don't even enter a building like that that has no automatic sprinkler system. There is really no other way to fight a fire in a forty story building. You sure as hell can't do it from ladders.