Afghanistan: Where is the outrage on the right?
DerbyX @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:26 pm
RUEZ RUEZ:
DerbyX DerbyX:
ridenrain ridenrain:
I think if we do leave by 2011, this will shake up NATO and Canada should seriously look into our participation. An alliance of members that will stand around while while we do the bloody business is not one I'm happy to be part of.
We asked for the position and place we are in or have you forgotten? In addition, NATO was designed to counter the USSR and not invade foreign countries with religious and cultural practices we don't happen to like.
Derby, the invasion had nothing to do with culture or religion.
It had nothing to do with freeing people from the Taliban either as the US told them they wouldn't do anything despite what the Taliban were up to both before and after 9/11.
The only condition was they hand over OBL and had they gotten him then Canada would not be there and all these crybaby cons decrying that opposition to afghanistan amounts to sedition wouldn't spare a single thought about the entire region.
DerbyX @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:36 pm
Hey Johnny,
Looks like the govt representing the people is doing things they feel will bring peace by talking to the taliban despite how awful they were.
Their society and their responsibility to sort it out. Concepts you obviously do not understand.
Johnny_Utah @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:36 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
My hate filled Rants? That's such Hypocrisy coming from you.. 
I believe the use of Force is right to Fight the Taliban to give the Afghanis a chance at a better life, a chance at freedom to choose..
This is what Canadians and other members of NATO are spilling their blood for, a chance it's a shame you don't honor that sacrifice..
As for the tribal areas between Afghanistan and Pakistan, that's an area Pakistan has no control over, you can send in all the Troops you want to hunt down Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban because it won't make a difference..
In the end your a Liberal Isolationist who doesn't care about anyone but himself who's against Canada being in Afghanistan because to you it's Bush's War, it's a shame your to much of a coward to admit it..
I believe the use of Force is right to Fight the Taliban to give the Afghanis a chance at a better life, a chance at freedom to choose..
This is what Canadians and other members of NATO are spilling their blood for, a chance it's a shame you don't honor that sacrifice..
As for the tribal areas between Afghanistan and Pakistan, that's an area Pakistan has no control over, you can send in all the Troops you want to hunt down Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban because it won't make a difference..
In the end your a Liberal Isolationist who doesn't care about anyone but himself who's against Canada being in Afghanistan because to you it's Bush's War, it's a shame your to much of a coward to admit it..
Nice try sunshine. You support aggression in Iraq despite even hardcore afghan supporters villifying it. You have posted support for glassing pretty much the entire middle-east.
You are nothing less then a bully and a coward who wants to use force on anybody who doesn't support your idea of how society should be run.
You have no respect for the idea that people shoudl be free to run their own society which is why you consider anybody who doesn't support the use of force as isolationists, a typical strawman attack.
You are a coward who has insulted all the other NATO natios who aren't doing exactly what you want, you attack pakistan for not doing what you want and wouldl support the use of force against them to rectify it. You support the use of force in Iraq, Iran, and pretty much anywhere that won't bow to your will.
You sir are a bully and a coward with no respect for anything but your own pathetic narrow viewpoint, a viewpoint you have no problem spreading through force.
On yer bike sunshine.
I supported the removal of Saddam's brutal regime giving the Iraqis a chance at possible freedom, unlike you who would rather have have Saddam and his two sons continuing to terrorize Iraqis under Saddam's brutal regime and the Taliban still controlling Afghanistan publicly executing women and allowing Bin Laden, Al Qaeda to run their Terrorist training camps..
People should be free in a society to choose but publicly executing women is not a society it's a dictatorship and of course you ignore that little fact..
Your an Isolationist cut and dry that is it..
I'm a bully and a coward? Again your Hypocrisy has no bounds, thankfully there are Liberals who offer more sensible opinions and your not one of them..
DerbyX @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:40 pm
Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
I supported the removal of Saddam's brutal regime giving the Iraqis a chance at possible freedom, unlike you who would rather have have Saddam and his two sons continuing to terrorize Iraqis under Saddam's brutal regime and the Taliban still controlling Afghanistan publicly executing women and allowing Bin Laden, Al Qaeda to run their Terrorist training camps..
People should be free in a society to choose but publicly executing women is not a society it's a dictatorship and of course you ignore that little fact..
Your an Isolationist cut and dry that is it..
I'm a bully and a coward? Again your Hypocrisy has no bounds, thankfully there are Liberals who offer more sensible opinions and your not one of them..
People should be free in a society to choose but publicly executing women is not a society it's a dictatorship and of course you ignore that little fact..
Your an Isolationist cut and dry that is it..
I'm a bully and a coward? Again your Hypocrisy has no bounds, thankfully there are Liberals who offer more sensible opinions and your not one of them..
You support violence for its own sake and you keep finding excuses.
You care nothing about all the innocents killed in the least because to you the ends justify the means. It meant nothing to you that the US's largest opponents post invasion and post saddam were in fact a group fighting saddam as well but then they became the enemy because they didn't bow to US will.
You support action against Iran not becasue the govt is brutalizing its people but for another reason you concocted.
You are a bully and a coward and a hypocrite who seeks only to force his viewpoint on others through the use of force just like the taliban and just like saddam.
Nice turban on ya sunshine. Beard needs work though.
Scape @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:15 pm
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
I never said its not happening, only that its bullshit that several hundreds have been reduced to ash... One reason I feel that this vague number of "a few hundred" is bullshit, the farther you get from the city of Kandahar the more and more schools double as mosques. Now if you burn down a school, ya it pisses people off, but if you burn down a mosque....
Sorry for the tardy response had to do some yard work.
I think you have just rendered your own point moot there. Now I am not trying to pick a bone with you here but what you and I consider a school is not what they consider a school. Since, as you pointed out, they double as mosques what one burnt building may be seen as a religious reprisal is in fact an act of terror from the same band of assholes who are burning schools but in the end its the same thing we are talking about here.
Look, I take no joy pointing this out and as a someone who was there not seeing burnt ruins of schools as you did on your patrols it may seem like the whole issue is not as pronounced as it seems but look at it from their perspective. If they set up a school for all to see they make themselves a target. Therefor it is not in their interests of survival to have a high profile and that may be the reason why you gave this a miss. I swear to you, this is for real and the damage they are doing is in line with hundreds of centres of education being destroyed here be they simple mud huts or a little red school house the terror is the same.
roger-roger @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:31 pm
Schools and the such are ALL pointed out to us, the military must know where all schools, religous buildings, hospitals ect are located. To say we, overlooked important buildings because they didnt look important, would be saying we dont know our job. I never did, but other sections of engineers have searched mosques, schools and the odd clinc for weapons. This was not standard practice by any means, it was only done with an ANP escort and on tips made by civilians.
Scape you are not going to convince me several hundereds of schools are regularly reduced to ash. It sounds like a nice sound bite but its not accurate. I know I am not going to convice you either, the problem is your seeing afghanistan through news reports. I've seen it first hand, I dont know everything about the country but for the 6 months I was in Afghanistan I learned a great deal. More then anyone could through news reports.
Scape @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:34 pm
I didn't mention they are are regularly reduced to ash. It may be a few here a few there but they didn't all light up overnight if that's what your saying.
roger-roger @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:40 pm
Its what the UAE article you sighted was implying.
Scape @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:45 pm
Taliban use beheadings and beatings to keep Afghanistan's schools closed
$1:
By the conservative estimate of the Afghan President Hamid Karzai, 100,000 students have been terrorised out of schools in the past year. The number is certainly far higher and many teachers have been murdered, some beheaded.
In the province of Zabul a teacher and female MP, Toor Peikai, said yesterday: "There are 47 schools in my province but only three are open." Only one teaches girls. It is 200 metres from a large US military base in the provincial capital.
Across the south, schools burn during the night. According to a bleak report released by Human Rights Watch today at least 200 have been destroyed in the past year and half.
In the province of Zabul a teacher and female MP, Toor Peikai, said yesterday: "There are 47 schools in my province but only three are open." Only one teaches girls. It is 200 metres from a large US military base in the provincial capital.
Across the south, schools burn during the night. According to a bleak report released by Human Rights Watch today at least 200 have been destroyed in the past year and half.
That is from 2006, do we really need to split hairs?
Johnny_Utah @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:49 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
I supported the removal of Saddam's brutal regime giving the Iraqis a chance at possible freedom, unlike you who would rather have have Saddam and his two sons continuing to terrorize Iraqis under Saddam's brutal regime and the Taliban still controlling Afghanistan publicly executing women and allowing Bin Laden, Al Qaeda to run their Terrorist training camps..
People should be free in a society to choose but publicly executing women is not a society it's a dictatorship and of course you ignore that little fact..
Your an Isolationist cut and dry that is it..
I'm a bully and a coward? Again your Hypocrisy has no bounds, thankfully there are Liberals who offer more sensible opinions and your not one of them..
People should be free in a society to choose but publicly executing women is not a society it's a dictatorship and of course you ignore that little fact..
Your an Isolationist cut and dry that is it..
I'm a bully and a coward? Again your Hypocrisy has no bounds, thankfully there are Liberals who offer more sensible opinions and your not one of them..
You support violence for its own sake and you keep finding excuses.
You care nothing about all the innocents killed in the least because to you the ends justify the means. It meant nothing to you that the US's largest opponents post invasion and post saddam were in fact a group fighting saddam as well but then they became the enemy because they didn't bow to US will.
You support action against Iran not becasue the govt is brutalizing its people but for another reason you concocted.
You are a bully and a coward and a hypocrite who seeks only to force his viewpoint on others through the use of force just like the taliban and just like saddam.
Nice turban on ya sunshine. Beard needs work though.
Again putting words into my mouth, typical..
I support action against Iran to prevent them from obtaining Nuclear Weapons, as for the brutalizing of it's people there's a movement of change within Iran that didn't exist in Iraq so Iran doesn't require the same course of action and further more action against Iran could undo that movement, so for now the best solution against Iran is through the UN unless Israel decides to act with a Preemptive Strike..
Again with calling me a Bully, Coward and now a Hypocrite? You seriously define Hypocrisy to the core, also care to back up these other claims you've attacked me with?
I doubt you could, but hey opinions I've made in the past certainly could have changed but I don't have the desire to look through every bloody post I've made because I have a life, so knock yourself out..
You have yet to once hold the Terrorist, Insurgents in Afgahnistan and Iraq accountable but you've found the time to hold the United States and President Bush accountable because it feeds into your Anti-American Rants & Raves..
Continue with your Rants & Raves they're priceless..
DerbyX @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:52 pm
Quit your crying hypocrite. You are a bully who simply makes up excuses to support his reasons using violence on eveybody who doesn't share his viewpoints.
A hypocrite. A coward. A bully.
Consider yourself schooled.
BTW, must really suck for you that Karzai AND NOW Mackay are using diplomacy in their peace talks with that really bad Taliban eh?
Sucks to be you.
On yer bike sunshine.
Johnny_Utah @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:00 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
Quit your crying hypocrite. You are a bully who simply makes up excuses to support his reasons using violence on eveybody who doesn't share his viewpoints.
A hypocrite. A coward. A bully.
Consider yourself schooled.
BTW, must really suck for you that Karzai AND NOW Mackay are using diplomacy in their peace talks with that really bad Taliban eh?
Sucks to be you.
On yer bike sunshine.
A hypocrite. A coward. A bully.
Consider yourself schooled.
BTW, must really suck for you that Karzai AND NOW Mackay are using diplomacy in their peace talks with that really bad Taliban eh?
Sucks to be you.
On yer bike sunshine.
Actually it sucks to be a Bitter, Coward, Hateful, Hypocritical, Isolationist, Liberal like you who needs to come out of the closet..
Read my signature you've been Pwned Bitch!
DerbyX @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:02 pm
Still here? Haven't you got some people who won't vote how you want to go out and beat up?
On yer bike sunshine.
Scape @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:03 pm
$1:
When the Liberals were in power the issue of Canada Cutting & Running from Afghanistan wasn't brought up, the minute they were out of power it's been brought up over and over because all they care about is regaining power..
The Liberals are so desperate to regain power they are willing to make the sacrifices by the Canadian Military in Afghanistan in vain, while having the NDP and Taliban Mouthpiece Jack Layton their Lapdogs helping push forward Canada's Cut & Run..
Then there's the Isolationists who don't consider the War in Afghanistan or Terrorism a Canadian problem because it's not in their backyard, they forget the reason Canada and NATO are there was because of 9/11 as the attacks were planned and plotted when the Taliban were in power harboring Al Qaeda and Bin Laden, while executing women for simply being women among other crimes against humanity..
Of course the main reason Liberals, NDP, Taliban Mouthpiece Jack Layton and the Isolationists will never admit why they are against the War in Afghanistan is they consider it Bush's War which gives them a platform for their Anti-American Rants & Raves they've never had before..
The Liberals are so desperate to regain power they are willing to make the sacrifices by the Canadian Military in Afghanistan in vain, while having the NDP and Taliban Mouthpiece Jack Layton their Lapdogs helping push forward Canada's Cut & Run..
Then there's the Isolationists who don't consider the War in Afghanistan or Terrorism a Canadian problem because it's not in their backyard, they forget the reason Canada and NATO are there was because of 9/11 as the attacks were planned and plotted when the Taliban were in power harboring Al Qaeda and Bin Laden, while executing women for simply being women among other crimes against humanity..
Of course the main reason Liberals, NDP, Taliban Mouthpiece Jack Layton and the Isolationists will never admit why they are against the War in Afghanistan is they consider it Bush's War which gives them a platform for their Anti-American Rants & Raves they've never had before..
Explain Harper and MacKay now John.
Johnny_Utah @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:10 pm
Scape Scape:
in his own words
Explain Harper and MacKay now John.
$1:
When the Liberals were in power the issue of Canada Cutting & Running from Afghanistan wasn't brought up, the minute they were out of power it's been brought up over and over because all they care about is regaining power..
The Liberals are so desperate to regain power they are willing to make the sacrifices by the Canadian Military in Afghanistan in vain, while having the NDP and Taliban Mouthpiece Jack Layton their Lapdogs helping push forward Canada's Cut & Run..
Then there's the Isolationists who don't consider the War in Afghanistan or Terrorism a Canadian problem because it's not in their backyard, they forget the reason Canada and NATO are there was because of 9/11 as the attacks were planned and plotted when the Taliban were in power harboring Al Qaeda and Bin Laden, while executing women for simply being women among other crimes against humanity..
Of course the main reason Liberals, NDP, Taliban Mouthpiece Jack Layton and the Isolationists will never admit why they are against the War in Afghanistan is they consider it Bush's War which gives them a platform for their Anti-American Rants & Raves they've never had before..
The Liberals are so desperate to regain power they are willing to make the sacrifices by the Canadian Military in Afghanistan in vain, while having the NDP and Taliban Mouthpiece Jack Layton their Lapdogs helping push forward Canada's Cut & Run..
Then there's the Isolationists who don't consider the War in Afghanistan or Terrorism a Canadian problem because it's not in their backyard, they forget the reason Canada and NATO are there was because of 9/11 as the attacks were planned and plotted when the Taliban were in power harboring Al Qaeda and Bin Laden, while executing women for simply being women among other crimes against humanity..
Of course the main reason Liberals, NDP, Taliban Mouthpiece Jack Layton and the Isolationists will never admit why they are against the War in Afghanistan is they consider it Bush's War which gives them a platform for their Anti-American Rants & Raves they've never had before..
Explain Harper and MacKay now John.
Wow you took the time to look up my previous posts, thanks I appreciate that..
Harper and MacKay more than likely bowing to political pressure going with the polls, they shouldn't but it looks like they have and honestly if that's the case then they don't deserve to be the Governing Power..