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Afghanistan: Where is the outrage on the right?

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roger-roger @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:14 pm

Remember when I said this....

Eisensapper Eisensapper:
So unless 100+ were burned down since August of 07 or 200+ were burned down in Kabul or in the Helmand, this article is making stuff up.

I guess I should have just said outside of Kandahar.

The article is better, it points out 47 of the schools are from the Zabul, a province just north of the Kandahar province. Again however it just throws out 200 schools across the south. These numbers were also put out by Human Rights Watch I have found organizations like them to be a little biased when it comes to exact numbers and locations.
Again I maintain that I had never seen one school, let alone hundereds burned down when I was in Afghanistan for my tour.

Back to the head of this topic though, 2011 is not a unreasonable time frame for Afghanistan to raise a functional National Military and National Police force. It wont turn out to be like the fall of Saigon.

   



Scape @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:20 pm

God I hope so Eisensapper. I agree about HRW, they are a canary in a coal mine but they have a history of being dramatic.

Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
Harper and MacKay more than likely bowing to political pressure going with the polls, they shouldn't but it looks like they have and honestly if that's the case then they don't deserve to be the Governing Power..



Thanks for being frank John. I appreciate that.

   



DerbyX @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:20 pm

What a surprise. Utah has been shown to be a hypocrite. Virulent attacks on the Liberals and NDP as traitors and terrorists for holding positions that the people of Canada support yet when his cherished heroes, the CPC are doing the same then its a meek and mild "they don't deserve to govern".

Great find Scape!

BTW, utah, wanton use of the military to enforce your views is a crime against humanity. Claiming treatment against women is the reason we are there is simply a lie. The US told the Taliban they didn't care what they were doing as long as they handed over OBL so your BS about humanitarian reasons to invade is shite.

In addition crying about the Taliban killing women while calling the far greater killing of women and children in the so-called liberation of Iraq "acceptable collateral damage" is nothing less then heinous.

You have been pwned. :lol:

   



Johnny_Utah @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:25 pm

Scape Scape:
God I hope so Eisensapper. I agree about HRW, they are a canary in a coal mine but they have a history of being dramatic.

Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
Harper and MacKay more than likely bowing to political pressure going with the polls, they shouldn't but it looks like they have and honestly if that's the case then they don't deserve to be the Governing Power..



Thanks for being frank John. I appreciate that.

I stand by what I said as I do now, but what amazes me is how something right like Afghanistan has become such an issue. I'm sure the political spectrum wasn't like this when Canada was in World War II, so what's changed?

   



roger-roger @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:27 pm

I forsee assloads [moon] of money going to Afghanistan when we leave. With it continuing for the next mant years, as the country tries to boost its economy to life. So even after we pull out the NPD, Lib and Bloc will be complaining on how much we are giving in relief aid to Afghanistan.

   



Johnny_Utah @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:29 pm

DerbyX DerbyX:
What a surprise. Utah has been shown to be a hypocrite. Virulent attacks on the Liberals and NDP as traitors and terrorists for holding positions that the people of Canada support yet when his cherished heroes, the CPC are doing the same then its a meek and mild "they don't deserve to govern".

Great find Scape!

BTW, utah, wanton use of the military to enforce your views is a crime against humanity. Claiming treatment against women is the reason we are there is simply a lie. The US told the Taliban they didn't care what they were doing as long as they handed over OBL so your BS about humanitarian reasons to invade is shite.

In addition crying about the Taliban killing women while calling the far greater killing of women and children in the so-called liberation of Iraq "acceptable collateral damage" is nothing less then heinous.

You have been pwned. :lol:

When the Liberals were in power the issue of Canada Cutting & Running from Afghanistan wasn't brought up, the minute they were out of power it's been brought up over and over because all they care about is regaining power..

The Liberals are so desperate to regain power they are willing to make the sacrifices by the Canadian Military in Afghanistan in vain, while having the NDP and Taliban Mouthpiece Jack Layton their Lapdogs helping push forward Canada's Cut & Run..

Then there's the Isolationists who don't consider the War in Afghanistan or Terrorism a Canadian problem because it's not in their backyard, they forget the reason Canada and NATO are there was because of 9/11 as the attacks were planned and plotted when the Taliban were in power harboring Al Qaeda and Bin Laden, while executing women for simply being women among other crimes against humanity..

Of course the main reason Liberals, NDP, Taliban Mouthpiece Jack Layton and the Isolationists will never admit why they are against the War in Afghanistan is they consider it Bush's War which gives them a platform for their Anti-American Rants & Raves they've never had before..


I stand by what I said, so where have I been a Hypocrite? Continue with your Rants & Raves because they're priceless..

At least Scape and others can offer reasonable opinions, you should learn something from them..

   



DerbyX @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:30 pm

Eisensapper Eisensapper:
I forsee assloads [moon] of money going to Afghanistan when we leave. With it continuing for the next mant years, as the country tries to boost its economy to life. So even after we pull out the NPD, Lib and Bloc will be complaining on how much we are giving in relief aid to Afghanistan.


Wouldn't you rather that the money actually went into the military instead? Why do you think Harper has cancelled purchase plans, purchases that are badly needed?

Funny how you keep blaming the other parties for everything yet when the CPC decides to pull out its all good and when the CPC cancels military purchases then its OK for whatever reason.

   



Johnny_Utah @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:31 pm

Eisensapper Eisensapper:
I forsee assloads [moon] of money going to Afghanistan when we leave. With it continuing for the next mant years, as the country tries to boost its economy to life. So even after we pull out the NPD, Lib and Bloc will be complaining on how much we are giving in relief aid to Afghanistan.

NATO is surely going to also contribute to Afghanistan after the War. The United States should have done it after the USSR left but they didn't which is a mistake that shouldn't be repeated..

   



roger-roger @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:32 pm

Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
Scape Scape:
God I hope so Eisensapper. I agree about HRW, they are a canary in a coal mine but they have a history of being dramatic.

Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
Harper and MacKay more than likely bowing to political pressure going with the polls, they shouldn't but it looks like they have and honestly if that's the case then they don't deserve to be the Governing Power..



Thanks for being frank John. I appreciate that.

I stand by what I said as I do now, but what amazes me is how something right like Afghanistan has become such an issue. I'm sure the political spectrum wasn't like this when Canada was in World War II, so what's changed?

I think it was exactly like this when Canada was at war. Its just that the propaganda the government ran back then would have made your head spin. There was probably constant talk about having a diplomatic solution with Hitler and that Canada should not be involved in europe's war. Its just that it was supressed, something that is alot harder to do in this day and age.

   



DerbyX @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:33 pm

DerbyX DerbyX:
What a surprise. Utah has been shown to be a hypocrite. Virulent attacks on the Liberals and NDP as traitors and terrorists for holding positions that the people of Canada support yet when his cherished heroes, the CPC are doing the same then its a meek and mild "they don't deserve to govern".

Great find Scape!

BTW, utah, wanton use of the military to enforce your views is a crime against humanity. Claiming treatment against women is the reason we are there is simply a lie. The US told the Taliban they didn't care what they were doing as long as they handed over OBL so your BS about humanitarian reasons to invade is shite.

In addition crying about the Taliban killing women while calling the far greater killing of women and children in the so-called liberation of Iraq "acceptable collateral damage" is nothing less then heinous.

You have been pwned. :lol:


Thats hypocracy.

So is claiming that the Taliban killing women is a crime against humanity while ignoring the far greater killing of women and children in your wonderful liberation of Iraq.

   



Johnny_Utah @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:36 pm

DerbyX DerbyX:
DerbyX DerbyX:
What a surprise. Utah has been shown to be a hypocrite. Virulent attacks on the Liberals and NDP as traitors and terrorists for holding positions that the people of Canada support yet when his cherished heroes, the CPC are doing the same then its a meek and mild "they don't deserve to govern".

Great find Scape!

BTW, utah, wanton use of the military to enforce your views is a crime against humanity. Claiming treatment against women is the reason we are there is simply a lie. The US told the Taliban they didn't care what they were doing as long as they handed over OBL so your BS about humanitarian reasons to invade is shite.

In addition crying about the Taliban killing women while calling the far greater killing of women and children in the so-called liberation of Iraq "acceptable collateral damage" is nothing less then heinous.

You have been pwned. :lol:


Thats hypocracy.

So is claiming that the Taliban killing women is a crime against humanity while ignoring the far greater killing of women and children in your wonderful liberation of Iraq.


Of course the Taliban publicly executing women is the same as collateral damage in the Liberaltion of Iraq in your Demented World..

   



roger-roger @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:39 pm

DerbyX DerbyX:
Wouldn't you rather that the money actually went into the military instead? Why do you think Harper has cancelled purchase plans, purchases that are badly needed?

Funny how you keep blaming the other parties for everything yet when the CPC decides to pull out its all good and when the CPC cancels military purchases then its OK for whatever reason.

Of course I would rather it went into the military, I would also rather that money spent on tax breaks for aboriginals were removed and less was spent on the arts. Its not going to happen, and its not what the country wants.
As for the purchases, I have not looked deeply enough into. Mainly because they were Air force and Naval purchases, I dont know how badly needed they are. If I was able to talk to an airman or a sailor I could get a better idea but I am out of luck since none are around. Again I am not blaming anyone, I am just foreseeing bellyaching from the opposition, something that would happen if the liberals were in power and the Tories were the opposition. So settle your partisan bullshit.

   



DerbyX @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:41 pm

Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:

Of course the Taliban publicly executing women is the same as collateral damage in the Liberaltion of Iraq in your Demented World..


Of course killing hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children is much better in your world.

Of course its not your wife and children being killed. Its not your home being bombed is it.

Once again you simply hold you have the right to inflict death and destruction on other people based entirely on your own selfish and warped beliefs.

No different then those you claim to oppose.

There is always a reason why your death and destruction is Ok and theirs isn't.

ALWAYS. :roll:

   



Scape @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:41 pm

Eisensapper Eisensapper:
I think it was exactly like this when Canada was at war. Its just that the propaganda the government ran back then would have made your head spin. There was probably constant talk about having a diplomatic solution with Hitler and that Canada should not be involved in europe's war. Its just that it was supressed, something that is alot harder to do in this day and age.


Exactly! Remember this scene from Flags of our Fathers. Nothing has changed the issues are the same.

   



Johnny_Utah @ Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:44 pm

Eisensapper Eisensapper:
Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:
I stand by what I said as I do now, but what amazes me is how something right like Afghanistan has become such an issue. I'm sure the political spectrum wasn't like this when Canada was in World War II, so what's changed?

I think it was exactly like this when Canada was at war. Its just that the propaganda the government ran back then would have made your head spin. There was probably constant talk about having a diplomatic solution with Hitler and that Canada should not be involved in europe's war. Its just that it was supressed, something that is alot harder to do in this day and age.

With Hitler there was no diplomatic solution and had the Isolationists had their way Hitler would have been unstoppable, but thankfully that didn't happen..


With the internet there's blogging from reporters embedded with U.S. Forces in Afghanistan and Iraq that offer live stories which is ignored by the MSM..

   



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