Liberals also targeted Guelph with robocalls
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ShepherdsDog @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:51 am
They are all bottomfeeding scum whether they are blue, red, green or orange....and the Conservative hijinx have just demonstrated to the rest of them how gullible the voters are.
OnTheIce @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:46 am
sandorski sandorski:
That's why an investigation is warranted.
That's why an investigation is underway.
zipperfish zipperfish:
No, I think the Conservatives look to the Liberals for moral leadership. "Do the Liberals do it? Oh, must be OK then!"
Conservatives need to learn about leadershp and personal responsibility.
Conservatives need to learn about leadershp and personal responsibility.
In relation to what? What has the CPC done here that's tilted their moral compass?
1Peg @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:57 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
sandorski sandorski:
Canadaka Canadaka:
I don't understand why this is news, robocalls are nothing new. I get robocalls from BC political parties for 2 years.
The difference is robocalls being used for voter suppression with misleading voting location information.
The difference is robocalls being used for voter suppression with misleading voting location information.
Who knows? That's really not the point.
The point is....
There has been allegations that some of these robo-calls were misleading people to the wrong polling stations.
There has been no proof provided by any party.
There has been no proof provided by elections Canada.
There has been no proof provided by citizens.
There has been no proof provided by the RCMP.
The only misleading robo-call we've heard is from the Liberal camp that doesn't mislead voters to polling stations at all.
This is exactly my point.... Were there any votes suppressed at all? There is no evidence of any and if someone has some, maybe they should step forward.
Public_Domain @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:05 am
bootlegga @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:41 am
andyt andyt:
You think the issue is automated calls? Really, C_P? 
For this uninformed, the issue is robocalls - for those who understand the issue, it's the content of the robocalls.
Sadly, like most political issues, the difference boils down to which side of the spectrum you sit on.
PimpBrewski123 @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:36 am
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
Really, this whole thing is being seen by the public for what it is. Nobody cares except the partisans from either side,the wankers in Parliament and the media.
Yawn.
Yawn.
Perhaps my previous comment came out a bit too ''partisan''. Although, I should elaborate a bit more. Admittingly, I am a bit more to the right hence favouring the CPC, but it has never been my intent to say CPC good, everything else is crap as I never really bash the Liberal anyways.
My intent was to show the media bias in their initial reports exclusively blaming the CPC instead of reporting on the political aspect as a whole, that includes reporting all the facts and that other policital parties could be involved. The media should not play favouritism, left or right, that's all.
eureka @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:00 pm
It staggers me reading through this thread how it can be made a political football here instead of examined. The media is blamed: a Party is blamed without evidence. The thread reeks of prejudice.
The media has been remarkably non partisan in this - even the Right Wing rags. They have followed the story and its uncertainties.
So far, the only suspect is within the conservative tent. The Liberals robocalls are open and above board (as far as that kind of campaigning can be). Yet we see "the Liberals did it too.
What is yet to be discovered is whether this was widespread and does it go beyond some lower level functionary.
OnTheIce @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:13 pm
eureka eureka:
It staggers me reading through this thread how it can be made a political football here instead of examined. The media is blamed: a Party is blamed without evidence. The thread reeks of prejudice.
The media has been remarkably non partisan in this - even the Right Wing rags. They have followed the story and its uncertainties.
So far, the only suspect is within the conservative tent. The Liberals robocalls are open and above board (as far as that kind of campaigning can be). Yet we see "the Liberals did it too.
What is yet to be discovered is whether this was widespread and does it go beyond some lower level functionary.
The media has been remarkably non partisan in this - even the Right Wing rags. They have followed the story and its uncertainties.
So far, the only suspect is within the conservative tent. The Liberals robocalls are open and above board (as far as that kind of campaigning can be). Yet we see "the Liberals did it too.
What is yet to be discovered is whether this was widespread and does it go beyond some lower level functionary.
Bullshit.
The media has been all over the Conservative Party, as have everyone on the left. What's yet to be discovered is anything. Any evidence at all that any party was involved in suppressing the vote.
To say that the one Liberal call is "above board" just shows where you stand on the issue.
That call is nothing short of slimy politics and a clear violation of many rules any 1st time politician is aware of.
andyt @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:14 pm
eureka eureka:
It staggers me reading through this thread how it can be made a political football here instead of examined. The media is blamed: a Party is blamed without evidence. The thread reeks of prejudice.
The media has been remarkably non partisan in this - even the Right Wing rags. They have followed the story and its uncertainties.
So far, the only suspect is within the conservative tent. The Liberals robocalls are open and above board (as far as that kind of campaigning can be). Yet we see "the Liberals did it too.
What is yet to be discovered is whether this was widespread and does it go beyond some lower level functionary.
The media has been remarkably non partisan in this - even the Right Wing rags. They have followed the story and its uncertainties.
So far, the only suspect is within the conservative tent. The Liberals robocalls are open and above board (as far as that kind of campaigning can be). Yet we see "the Liberals did it too.
What is yet to be discovered is whether this was widespread and does it go beyond some lower level functionary.
Yep, we do seem to have some pretty die hard CPC supporters here for whom the party can do no wrong, or "the Liberals did it too."
As Liberal staffer calling up voters to remind them that Marty Burke is against abortion (true) but misidentifying herself is about the same level as the CPC doing phony polling in Irving Cotler's riding suggesting he's not running again. Dirty but legal.
But when CPC operatives lawyer up and refuse to answer more questions from Elections Canada, well that looks like a whole different ballgame. Somebody is scared of going to jail.
OnTheIce @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:42 pm
andyt andyt:
Yep, we do seem to have some pretty die hard CPC supporters here for whom the party can do no wrong, or "the Liberals did it too."
As Liberal staffer calling up voters to remind them that Marty Burke is against abortion (true) but misidentifying herself is about the same level as the CPC doing phony polling in Irving Cotler's riding suggesting he's not running again. Dirty but legal.
But when CPC operatives lawyer up and refuse to answer more questions from Elections Canada, well that looks like a whole different ballgame. Somebody is scared of going to jail.
As Liberal staffer calling up voters to remind them that Marty Burke is against abortion (true) but misidentifying herself is about the same level as the CPC doing phony polling in Irving Cotler's riding suggesting he's not running again. Dirty but legal.
But when CPC operatives lawyer up and refuse to answer more questions from Elections Canada, well that looks like a whole different ballgame. Somebody is scared of going to jail.
So you take a shot at CPC people for defending allegations yet you compare a legal action to an illegal action and say they're "about the same"?
There's a difference between dirty and legal.
Doing a bogus poll and making anonymous calls aren't the same. One is legal, one isn't.
andyt @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:20 pm
The liberal staffer admitted that she used a phony name - open and shut case. Yet I don't see her being charged by Elections Canada. Could that be because what she did wasn't illegal, vs identifying yourself as Elections Canada is?
dino_bobba_renno @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:25 pm
Well, we'll find out soon enough. Monsieur Pierre Poutine tuned him/herself in so we will soon find out who's behind some of this.
It's kind of funny that they haven't released this guys name yet though 
andyt @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:28 pm
dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:
Well, we'll find out soon enough. Monsieur Pierre Poutine tuned him/herself in so we will soon find out who's behind some of this.
It's kind of funny that they haven't released this guys name yet though
It's kind of funny that they haven't released this guys name yet though
got a link for that?
dino_bobba_renno @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:34 pm
andyt andyt:
dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:
Well, we'll find out soon enough. Monsieur Pierre Poutine tuned him/herself in so we will soon find out who's behind some of this.
It's kind of funny that they haven't released this guys name yet though
It's kind of funny that they haven't released this guys name yet though
got a link for that?
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/11/pierre-poutine-robocalls-3/
Just look up "Pierre Poutine", most media outlets are running with the same story.
FieryVulpine @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:27 pm
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le2366825/
Looks like a majority of the 31,000 complaints were form letters from leadnow.ca. Makes me wonder who the REAL threat to democracy is now.
And this is from the Globe and Mail mind you, and no one in their right mind can call them right-wing.
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