Liberals also targeted Guelph with robocalls
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CDN_PATRIOT @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:16 pm
eureka eureka:
It staggers me reading through this thread how it can be made a political football here instead of examined. The media is blamed: a Party is blamed without evidence. The thread reeks of prejudice.
The media has been remarkably non partisan in this - even the Right Wing rags. They have followed the story and its uncertainties.
So far, the only suspect is within the conservative tent. The Liberals robocalls are open and above board (as far as that kind of campaigning can be). Yet we see "the Liberals did it too.
What is yet to be discovered is whether this was widespread and does it go beyond some lower level functionary.
The media has been remarkably non partisan in this - even the Right Wing rags. They have followed the story and its uncertainties.
So far, the only suspect is within the conservative tent. The Liberals robocalls are open and above board (as far as that kind of campaigning can be). Yet we see "the Liberals did it too.
What is yet to be discovered is whether this was widespread and does it go beyond some lower level functionary.
What a load of crap. Your own political views have been prejudiced since your very first post here, and now YOU are the pot calling the kettle black? Seriously, who are you trying to fool? In case you forgot recent events, a Liberal MP has admitted to giving the OK to the use of invasive 'robocalls' in his riding, therefore breaking Elections Canada's rules. To state that these calls 'open and above board' just reinforces your slanted views.
The only thing you have shown, is why your negative rep count keeps increasing.
-J.
Gunnair @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:28 pm
andyt andyt:
The liberal staffer admitted that she used a phony name - open and shut case. Yet I don't see her being charged by Elections Canada. Could that be because what she did wasn't illegal, vs identifying yourself as Elections Canada is?
Not quite black and white there, sport.
$1:
According to the Elections Act, campaigns must identify who paid for advertising. The law doesn't specifically mention robocalls, but a spokesman for Elections Canada, asked whether the Valeriote campaign call was legal, pointed to the rules for campaign advertising.
Sounds like some more investigation will be required.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/12/pol-election-calls-guelph.html
eureka @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:08 pm
CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
eureka eureka:
It staggers me reading through this thread how it can be made a political football here instead of examined. The media is blamed: a Party is blamed without evidence. The thread reeks of prejudice.
The media has been remarkably non partisan in this - even the Right Wing rags. They have followed the story and its uncertainties.
So far, the only suspect is within the conservative tent. The Liberals robocalls are open and above board (as far as that kind of campaigning can be). Yet we see "the Liberals did it too.
What is yet to be discovered is whether this was widespread and does it go beyond some lower level functionary.
The media has been remarkably non partisan in this - even the Right Wing rags. They have followed the story and its uncertainties.
So far, the only suspect is within the conservative tent. The Liberals robocalls are open and above board (as far as that kind of campaigning can be). Yet we see "the Liberals did it too.
What is yet to be discovered is whether this was widespread and does it go beyond some lower level functionary.
What a load of crap. Your own political views have been prejudiced since your very first post here, and now YOU are the pot calling the kettle black? Seriously, who are you trying to fool? In case you forgot recent events, a Liberal MP has admitted to giving the OK to the use of invasive 'robocalls' in his riding, therefore breaking Elections Canada's rules. To state that these calls 'open and above board' just reinforces your slanted views.
The only thing you have shown, is why your negative rep count keeps increasing.
-J.
If my "negative rep" points do keep increasing, it is because of twits like you and your blind ignorance about anything political. You can't think anything beneath the tin foil.
You have no idea what my political views are. One thing you should have taken from my posts so far if you were not just crying for attention from your fellow blusterers is that my view is to fight for justice within democracy. I excuse nothing that detracts from either.
What the Liberal MP has admitted to is trivial and part of the decline in probity in campaigning that is taking place everywhere with the rise of technology over personal contact.
What the scandal is is illegal no matter how limited or extensive.
FieryVulpine @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:10 pm
What did I say about talking to Nameless? It's not his fault that generations of incest left him with a tiny and extremely malformed brain.
Gunnair @ Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:15 pm
eureka eureka:
CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:
eureka eureka:
It staggers me reading through this thread how it can be made a political football here instead of examined. The media is blamed: a Party is blamed without evidence. The thread reeks of prejudice.
The media has been remarkably non partisan in this - even the Right Wing rags. They have followed the story and its uncertainties.
So far, the only suspect is within the conservative tent. The Liberals robocalls are open and above board (as far as that kind of campaigning can be). Yet we see "the Liberals did it too.
What is yet to be discovered is whether this was widespread and does it go beyond some lower level functionary.
The media has been remarkably non partisan in this - even the Right Wing rags. They have followed the story and its uncertainties.
So far, the only suspect is within the conservative tent. The Liberals robocalls are open and above board (as far as that kind of campaigning can be). Yet we see "the Liberals did it too.
What is yet to be discovered is whether this was widespread and does it go beyond some lower level functionary.
What a load of crap. Your own political views have been prejudiced since your very first post here, and now YOU are the pot calling the kettle black? Seriously, who are you trying to fool? In case you forgot recent events, a Liberal MP has admitted to giving the OK to the use of invasive 'robocalls' in his riding, therefore breaking Elections Canada's rules. To state that these calls 'open and above board' just reinforces your slanted views.
The only thing you have shown, is why your negative rep count keeps increasing.
-J.
If my "negative rep" points do keep increasing, it is because of twits like you and your blind ignorance about anything political. You can't think anything beneath the tin foil.
You have no idea what my political views are. One thing you should have taken from my posts so far if you were not just crying for attention from your fellow blusterers is that my view is to fight for justice within democracy. I excuse nothing that detracts from either.
What the Liberal MP has admitted to is trivial and part of the decline in probity in campaigning that is taking place everywhere with the rise of technology over personal contact.
What the scandal is is illegal no matter how limited or extensive.
Not quite. Your bias is showing.
OnTheIce @ Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:13 am
andyt andyt:
The liberal staffer admitted that she used a phony name - open and shut case. Yet I don't see her being charged by Elections Canada. Could that be because what she did wasn't illegal, vs identifying yourself as Elections Canada is?
andy, why are you only referencing part of the story?
If you're calling on behalf of a campaign, you have to identify as such. Anything short of that is breaking Elections Canada rules.
OnTheIce @ Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:16 am
FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/online-form-letters-behind-majority-of-31000-robo-call-complaints/article2366825/
Looks like a majority of the 31,000 complaints were form letters from leadnow.ca. Makes me wonder who the REAL threat to democracy is now.
And this is from the Globe and Mail mind you, and no one in their right mind can call them right-wing.
Looks like a majority of the 31,000 complaints were form letters from leadnow.ca. Makes me wonder who the REAL threat to democracy is now.
And this is from the Globe and Mail mind you, and no one in their right mind can call them right-wing.
The real threat to democracy in this country is Liberals who hate the fact that they lost.
OnTheIce @ Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:25 am
Funny how on one hand you can attack another party for allegedly using these tactics when you use them yourself and your leader, Bob Rae, defends you for breaking Elections Canada and CRTC laws.
Zipperfish @ Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:02 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
zipperfish zipperfish:
No, I think the Conservatives look to the Liberals for moral leadership. "Do the Liberals do it? Oh, must be OK then!"
Conservatives need to learn about leadershp and personal responsibility.
Conservatives need to learn about leadershp and personal responsibility.
In relation to what? What has the CPC done here that's tilted their moral compass?
Politicans don't have a moral compass. They seek to hold onto power. Everything else is subsidiary.
When you are in opposition, it's OK to blame the government. That's your job. And it's an easy one. Once you are the government--especially a majority government--it's no longer acceptable to blame everyone else. You have to take responsibility for your actions. The Conservatives have always had difficulty with this. Maybe they're not used to holding the reigns of power. It started soon after they were elected to a minority government and Rona Ambrose blamed the Liberals for some policy or other at an international forum. You don't do that at international forum. You don't air your internal politics dirty laundry.
The COnservatvies now have a majority government and have been in power for several years and yet this old canard of blaming the Liberals--who aren't even the Official Opposition now--is still trotted out. It makes the Conservatives look weak.
Why should the Conservatives be basing their justificaiton for robocalls based on what the Liberals did?
OnTheIce @ Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:15 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Why should the Conservatives be basing their justificaiton for robocalls based on what the Liberals did?
Who says they are?
All parties use robocalls, it's not the robocalls that's the problem, it's the content of those calls.
So far, the only party caught using them incorrectly is the Liberal party.
P.S. I agree with you on the moral compass. Politicians these days aren't what Canadians deserve.
CDN_PATRIOT @ Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:44 am
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
The real threat to democracy in this country is Liberals who hate the fact that they lost were humiliated and reduced to third party status due to a historic low in the number of seats they were able to win.
Fixed.
-J.
fifeboy @ Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:29 am
FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
What did I say about talking to Nameless? It's not his fault that generations of incest left him with a tiny and extremely malformed brain.
Wow, that really added to the depth of the debate. Next I expect you will really shine with something like "poopie face" or some other useful point.
FieryVulpine @ Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:39 am
fifeboy fifeboy:
Wow, that really added to the depth of the debate. Next I expect you will really shine with something like "poopie face" or some other useful point.
Ah, sarcasm.
I'm just returning the favor "Nameless" gave us tit-for-tat. To hell with logic or maturity.
fifeboy @ Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:55 am
FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:
fifeboy fifeboy:
Wow, that really added to the depth of the debate. Next I expect you will really shine with something like "poopie face" or some other useful point.
Ah, sarcasm.
I'm just returning the favor "Nameless" gave us tit-for-tat. To hell with logic or maturity.
FieryVulpine @ Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:13 am
We both know the answer to that question and maybe it was the desired effect.
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