The Tory Platform
DerbyX @ Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:02 am
ziggy ziggy:
If that's true Derby then why arent they trusted in Alberta?
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"Alberta can blow me."
-Scott Reid, press secretary for Prime Minister Paul Martin, the official spokesperson for Paul Martin and the Liberal Party
-Scott Reid, press secretary for Prime Minister Paul Martin, the official spokesperson for Paul Martin and the Liberal Party
Same reason why kids hate their parents until they grow up and realize that most of the "bad" things they did were for their own good.
Given that Chretien did exactly what conservative Albertans wanted I believe that they simply hate the "Liberals" the way some people hate "jews" or "blacks" or "indians". hatred born out of fear and prejudice.
Chretien slashed spending including deep cuts to social programs. He cut taxes and instead of funding a socialist paradise, like the one you accuse the Liberals of running, he simply paid down the debt over and over and over.
All things Alberta wanted because in the end they paid less tax and the taxes they did pay went more and more to programs rather then to the bank in the form of interest payments.
ziggy @ Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:05 am
Well,there is a reason why some of us are a bit friendly with the states.
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Development of the Oil Industry
Some Canadians attempt to present a revisionist history of the development of the Albertan oilpatch. Canadian banks rejected the proposals of Albertans to develop Alberta's struggling oil industry in the 1930s and 1940s. The Canadian government offered no assistance either. It was American oil companies and financiers that helped develop Alberta's oil patch. Don't believe it? Check out who owned the oilpatch prior to the National Energy Program. If Canadians were the ones who developed the oil industry in Alberta, Canadian ownership would have been much higher and Canadianization would not have been a stated purpose of the N.E.P..
Also note that this revisionist history is used as a poor excuse to gouge Alberta today. The argument made is that since Canada helped Alberta to develop the oil patch, Canada deserves the current payoff it is getting today. Not only is that faulty logic, but it is historically inaccurate.
Some Canadians attempt to present a revisionist history of the development of the Albertan oilpatch. Canadian banks rejected the proposals of Albertans to develop Alberta's struggling oil industry in the 1930s and 1940s. The Canadian government offered no assistance either. It was American oil companies and financiers that helped develop Alberta's oil patch. Don't believe it? Check out who owned the oilpatch prior to the National Energy Program. If Canadians were the ones who developed the oil industry in Alberta, Canadian ownership would have been much higher and Canadianization would not have been a stated purpose of the N.E.P..
Also note that this revisionist history is used as a poor excuse to gouge Alberta today. The argument made is that since Canada helped Alberta to develop the oil patch, Canada deserves the current payoff it is getting today. Not only is that faulty logic, but it is historically inaccurate.
DerbyX @ Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:13 am
Yet Alberta has some of the worst deals with big oil then any other country/province in the world. In addition, when the beef industry got hit hard it was your fellow Canadians who reached into their pockets to help out. Ditto during the drought.
In bringing up the NEP though you make my point. Was Chretien part of it or did he enact policies to do just that?
Nope. He reduced the taxes every Albertan paid. His admistration was if the partisan crap is ignored, exactly what fiscal conservatives wanted.
ShepherdsDog @ Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:44 am
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Nope, Shep, it's the authoritarian right that produces the deviants. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that Harper has a secret room under the Peace Tower where he pays elderly women to whip his ass with a riding crop. It fits the profile.
authoritarianism is neither right nor left Rev. The guy's an economist I doubt he has that creative an imagination. Sounds like something Jacko and his Chow might try.
Reverend Blair @ Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:06 am
Nice way to insult Olivia. I guess calling Steve's wife names is okay then? Or should we just wonder if Rona Ambrose and John Baird sucked their way into cabinet?
Harper scores very high on the authoritarian scale for a Canadian PM, and his party scores really high for a government. That comes from the Conservative inclination to restrict personal freedoms, especially for their narrow moralistic reasons.
If Steve is really an economist, and I'm starting to wonder if he didn't just copy off the guy next to him during the test, he's a pretty damed poor one. His policies have, time and again, been panned by working economists at the top banks. He may lack an imagination, but he's no economist.
Zipperfish @ Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:09 am
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"Alberta can blow me."
-Scott Reid, press secretary for Prime Minister Paul Martin, the official spokesperson for Paul Martin and the Liberal Party
-Scott Reid, press secretary for Prime Minister Paul Martin, the official spokesperson for Paul Martin and the Liberal Party
That is awesome!
ridenrain @ Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:14 pm
$1:
"Alberta can blow me."
-Scott Reid, press secretary for Prime Minister Paul Martin, the official spokesperson for Paul Martin and the Liberal Party
-Scott Reid, press secretary for Prime Minister Paul Martin, the official spokesperson for Paul Martin and the Liberal Party
But Paul Martin himself said that he will have failed if he didn't solve western alienation.
sign... along arogant history about not caring and chasing only votes
ShepherdsDog @ Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:16 pm
Reverend Blair Reverend Blair:
Nice way to insult Olivia. I guess calling Steve's wife names is okay then? Or should we just wonder if Rona Ambrose and John Baird sucked their way into cabinet?
Harper scores very high on the authoritarian scale for a Canadian PM, and his party scores really high for a government. That comes from the Conservative inclination to restrict personal freedoms, especially for their narrow moralistic reasons.
If Steve is really an economist, and I'm starting to wonder if he didn't just copy off the guy next to him during the test, he's a pretty damed poor one. His policies have, time and again, been panned by working economists at the top banks. He may lack an imagination, but he's no economist.
Harper scores very high on the authoritarian scale for a Canadian PM, and his party scores really high for a government. That comes from the Conservative inclination to restrict personal freedoms, especially for their narrow moralistic reasons.
If Steve is really an economist, and I'm starting to wonder if he didn't just copy off the guy next to him during the test, he's a pretty damed poor one. His policies have, time and again, been panned by working economists at the top banks. He may lack an imagination, but he's no economist.
If questions like that consume your waking moments........you've got waaaaay too much idle time on your hands.
Reverend Blair @ Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:21 pm
Love the way you edited the post I was replying to, Shep.