Homophobia 101
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novachick @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:06 am
JetBoy JetBoy:
Brenda Brenda:
What's your point?
Her point is quite valid. We may all see skinheads as inciting hatred, they don't. They believe they are true and rightous in their cause, so do we allow them to have parades at the tax payers expense.
When was the last time a census was taking about how the population feels about the gay pride parade in it's present state. There are many people I know of both "gay community,as some like to call it" and straight that feels in it's present form the parade does in fact incite hatred, gay bashing and stereotyping.
Brenda @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:06 am
JetBoy JetBoy:
Brenda Brenda:
People don't go to oost-Groningen. People go to Amsterdam, Keukenhof, and the attraction parks. That is all in de Randstad. Oost Groningen is not. So who is stupid here?
You calling me stupid? LOL, you can really dish it out but you can't take it. Unlike you, however, I'm not going to threaten to report you, like it really makes a difference anyway.
I'm going to explain this to you again... when people travel to Holland and stay there, they spend money there. Tourism is a big industry in many countries, including Holland. When people go to Holland for the parade, they spend money there that Holland would otherwise not make.
Read up on your own tourism industry. It brings in millions every year.
I asked you who was stupid here. You have answered twice I was. I never called you stupid, I never called you any names. I leave that to you.
People who visit the Gay Parade (which what this discussion is about again...) don't visit the rest of Holland. Tax-wise (that is what you are talking about) Europe benifits. The local economy does, because of the spending. But everyone pays for it.
Tourism is a big industry in Canada too, so what is the point?
novachick @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:10 am
Brenda Brenda:
JetBoy JetBoy:
Brenda Brenda:
Morning Nova! Watch it, he will start by saying that the economy gets a boost when they organize a gay parade. The fact that is only the local economy, and the whole province paying for everything doesn't mean shit, obviously...
Don't be stupid. The local economy pays for it and it benefits from it. Vancouver has it's own police. Same with most major cities in Canada where the parades take place, like Toronto.
But let's listen to some clueless lady from Holland who knows how things work here more than local residents themselves. Let's just do away with all parades, public events, and festivals while we're at it. Even the fireworks competition here in Vancouver, and any Canada Day and New Years celebrations. Let's have a super-boring city that doesn't do anything.
You know, JetBoy, I have been nice to you all over, I have never called you names what so ever. I don't deserve this. I can have my opinion and state it, just as you pushes yours. Don't tell me to shut up, because that won't work.
The weird thing about Canada is, that I cannot take my kids to some show because they are serving beer, but there is no problem for my kids to watch the gay parades from their window, where people are close to having sex in public. I mind that, yes.
Why do all parades in bans? The ones you mentioned have nothing to do with a group that calles themselves special, while in the meantime, when they are treated differently, they scream to be discriminated against.
So who exactly is the stupid, clueless one?
It is not only Canadian gay parades, it is worldwide. Don't tell me, this is a Canadian forum, so only Canadian things are to be discussed, because I think we can shut it down then. Anyway, the Amsterdam gay parade does nothing for the economy in north east Groningen, although I think you have no clue on what I am saying now
Oh it was clueless lady from Holland, Yes Jetboy that is entirely different....not!
Omega @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:13 am
Brenda Brenda:
People who visit the Gay Parade (which what this discussion is about again...) don't visit the rest of Holland. Tax-wise (that is what you are talking about) Europe benefits. The local economy does, because of the spending. But everyone pays for it.
Are you telling me that none of the gay visitors to Amsterdam during pride buy souvenirs, rent hotels, drink at any bars, or eat at any restaurants?
Brenda Brenda:
Tourism is a big industry in Canada too, so what is the point?
That IS my point. Gay pride is a part of what draws tourists here. Try to follow along.
Streaker @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:15 am
Jesus.... It's like Weimar-era Berlin here this morning! 
Brenda @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:15 am
JetBoy JetBoy:
That sounds great and everything, except for one important fact: I never called Brenda a "stupid Dutch girl."
No, right
You only implied, right?
The only thing you said is, that I should butt out, because I have absolutely no idea what I am talking about...
I don't know if you read anything else then "homo-threads", but I don't recall ever to have stated a political comment, that was only Canadian. That is for the very simple reason, I have no clue on how your political system works. I don't know which party stands for what.
Gay parades are not only Canadian (I wish they were, should have saved us a lot of misery...), so I think I am entitled to my opinion.
Anyway, to go back on topic, you might wanna read a post I placed in this thread, that says exactly how I feel about gay or non-gay people.
Brenda @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:16 am
JetBoy JetBoy:
Brenda Brenda:
People who visit the Gay Parade (which what this discussion is about again...) don't visit the rest of Holland. Tax-wise (that is what you are talking about) Europe benefits. The local economy does, because of the spending. But everyone pays for it.
Are you telling me that none of the gay visitors to Amsterdam during pride buy souvenirs, rent hotels, drink at any bars, or eat at any restaurants?
In AMSTERDAM, they do.
novachick @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:17 am
JetBoy JetBoy:
novachick novachick:
If you think I'm being hostile, You obviously don't know my hostile 
I think what you mean to say Is I am not saying what you want to hear. You have been openly and continually hostile to Brenda. Calling her a stupid dutch girl I believe it was is yes in fact hostile. You get openly hostile and derisive with anyone who doesn't support your views. I no longer support holding gay pride parades at the City's expense, or on a public street, so I am facist and tell people how to act/dress/do riiiiight thats not hostile jebus
I think what you mean to say Is I am not saying what you want to hear. You have been openly and continually hostile to Brenda. Calling her a stupid dutch girl I believe it was is yes in fact hostile. You get openly hostile and derisive with anyone who doesn't support your views. I no longer support holding gay pride parades at the City's expense, or on a public street, so I am facist and tell people how to act/dress/do riiiiight thats not hostile jebus That sounds great and everything, except for one important fact: I never called Brenda a "stupid Dutch girl."
Also, telling people how to act and dress, when it's not hurting anything but your own personal perception of what's acceptable, is in fact fascist. Perhaps not in the traditional 1940s Italian sense of the word, but in the modern sense of the word... absolutely.
Stop twisting my words to benifit your own agenda. A gay pride parade is a public event funded by the city. It is my right to speak out about that which my taxes pay for. That doesn't make me facist that makes me a Canadian citizen. Let us be clear on this point a gay pride parade on a city street is a privilage given by the taxpayers. As a Canadian tax payer to have a voice in how my tax dollars are spent is a right. For you to in fact try to diminish my right to speak to that is in fact a facist agenda.
Brenda @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:19 am
lily lily:
Actually, Brenda, the topic isn't about the Pride Parades at all.
The point is that you tried to claim that the whole province pays for the parades while only Vancouver benefits. You were wrong, but rather than admit that, you brought up some obscure little town in Holland which really doesn't have anything to do with this.
$1:
People who visit the Gay Parade (which what this discussion is about again...) don't visit the rest of Holland. Tax-wise (that is what you are talking about) Europe benifits. The local economy does, because of the spending. But everyone pays for it.
Tourism is a big industry in Canada too, so what is the point?
Tourism is a big industry in Canada too, so what is the point?
The point is that you tried to claim that the whole province pays for the parades while only Vancouver benefits. You were wrong, but rather than admit that, you brought up some obscure little town in Holland which really doesn't have anything to do with this.
I know, I never said the TOPIC was about gay prides. The discussion now is.
I tried to explain gay parades are worldwide, not only Canadian. Shees, read what I write, k? Calling Oost-Groningen an obscure little town when it is a region, says it all
Brenda @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:19 am
lily lily:
$1:
Gay parades are not only Canadian (I wish they were, should have saved us a lot of misery...), so I think I am entitled to my opinion.
Us as in Dutch people? The same people that are proud of their red light district?
Are "we"?
Omega @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:20 am
novachick novachick:
Her point is quite valid. We may all see skinheads as inciting hatred, they don't. They believe they are true and rightous in their cause, so do we allow them to have parades at the tax payers expense.
When was the last time a census was taking about how the population feels about the gay pride parade in it's present state. There are many people I know of both "gay community,as some like to call it" and straight that feels in it's present form the parade does in fact incite hatred, gay bashing and stereotyping.
When was the last time a census was taking about how the population feels about the gay pride parade in it's present state. There are many people I know of both "gay community,as some like to call it" and straight that feels in it's present form the parade does in fact incite hatred, gay bashing and stereotyping.
That's not what Brenda was referring to when she asked what was Lily's point.
As for it being paid for by the taxpayers, as I already explained, the government pulls in more taxes from it than they spend in police and traffic-control, so the taxpayers end up pay nothing extra.
As for skinhead parades, it's about hatred. It's about how whites are better than everyone else and how there should be segregation. Gay parades are the opposite in that they promote diversity and understanding. You also can convince a white to become a racist, but you can't convince a straight to become gay. Not to mention, there's also great number more gays than there are skinheads so even if they tried they couldn't even begin to pull in the huge money-spending crowds. I'd like to see them try.
Brenda @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:24 am
JetBoy JetBoy:
novachick novachick:
Her point is quite valid. We may all see skinheads as inciting hatred, they don't. They believe they are true and rightous in their cause, so do we allow them to have parades at the tax payers expense.
When was the last time a census was taking about how the population feels about the gay pride parade in it's present state. There are many people I know of both "gay community,as some like to call it" and straight that feels in it's present form the parade does in fact incite hatred, gay bashing and stereotyping.
When was the last time a census was taking about how the population feels about the gay pride parade in it's present state. There are many people I know of both "gay community,as some like to call it" and straight that feels in it's present form the parade does in fact incite hatred, gay bashing and stereotyping.
That's not what Brenda was referring to when she asked what was Lily's point.
As for it being paid for by the taxpayers, as I already explained, the government pulls in more taxes from it than they spend in police and traffic-control, so the taxpayers end up pay nothing extra.
As for skinhead parades, it's about hatred. It's about how whites are better than everyone else and how there should be segregation. Gay parades are the opposite in that they promote diversity and understanding. You also can convince a white to become a racist, but you can't convince a straight to become gay. Not to mention, there's also great number more gays than there are skinheads so even if they tried they couldn't even begin to pull in the huge money-spending crowds. I'd like to see them try.
I don't agree. And you are a very good example of it. I don't like gay parades, and you are pushing me in the direction of "having to like them". I don't, and I never will. Understand that, and your point will be more valid then it is now.
novachick @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:24 am
JetBoy JetBoy:
novachick novachick:
Her point is quite valid. We may all see skinheads as inciting hatred, they don't. They believe they are true and rightous in their cause, so do we allow them to have parades at the tax payers expense.
When was the last time a census was taking about how the population feels about the gay pride parade in it's present state. There are many people I know of both "gay community,as some like to call it" and straight that feels in it's present form the parade does in fact incite hatred, gay bashing and stereotyping.
When was the last time a census was taking about how the population feels about the gay pride parade in it's present state. There are many people I know of both "gay community,as some like to call it" and straight that feels in it's present form the parade does in fact incite hatred, gay bashing and stereotyping.
That's not what Brenda was referring to when she asked what was Lily's point.
As for it being paid for by the taxpayers, as I already explained, the government pulls in more taxes from it than they spend in police and traffic-control, so the taxpayers end up pay nothing extra.
As for skinhead parades, it's about hatred. It's about how whites are better than everyone else and how there should be segregation. Gay parades are the opposite in that they promote diversity and understanding. You also can convince a white to become a racist, but you can't convince a straight to become gay. Not to mention, there's also great number more gays than there are skinheads so even if they tried they couldn't even begin to pull in the huge money-spending crowds. I'd like to see them try.
Hmmmm I have no idea where you are from. I would however like to see where these parades are making money, city by city.
Brenda @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:25 am
lily lily:
Brenda Brenda:
lily lily:
$1:
Gay parades are not only Canadian (I wish they were, should have saved us a lot of misery...), so I think I am entitled to my opinion.
Us as in Dutch people? The same people that are proud of their red light district?
Are "we"?
"We" might not be, but you are. You've posted here about giving tours if/when stratos and snorkmaiden ever visited. You talked at great length how much fun they'd have.
So I am 17,000,000 people?
Omega @ Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:25 am
novachick novachick:
Stop twisting my words to benifit your own agenda. A gay pride parade is a public event funded by the city. It is my right to speak out about that which my taxes pay for. That doesn't make me facist that makes me a Canadian citizen. Let us be clear on this point a gay pride parade on a city street is a privilage given by the taxpayers. As a Canadian tax payer to have a voice in how my tax dollars are spent is a right. For you to in fact try to diminish my right to speak to that is in fact a facist agenda.
I don't have to twist your words around. Reading back on this thread you did it all yourself... You complained about where they do it. You complained about how they do it. You complained about how they dress (clowns). You complained about how they act. You complained about how they have fun and express themselves.
So no, this isn't about your taxes. This is about your personal sensibilities being offended by other people acting, looking, and thinking different when they're not actually hurting anything.
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