Letter from Liberal Party on Montana death-row Canadian
Streaker @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:55 pm
hwacker hwacker:
WBenson WBenson:
hwacker hwacker:
WBenson WBenson:
ridenrain ridenrain:
The death penalty was removed without a referendum.
I say bring it to the people and let them decide.
I say bring it to the people and let them decide.
The "will of the people" shouldn't be allowed to trump the right of the individual not to be killed in cold-blooded revenge by the state.
but you're all for hugging the cold blooded killers. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
Cite please?
Don't worry, Harper will take care of you liberals soon enough.
What is this supposed to mean?
hwacker @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:58 pm
Streaker Streaker:
hwacker hwacker:
WBenson WBenson:
hwacker hwacker:
WBenson WBenson:
ridenrain ridenrain:
The death penalty was removed without a referendum.
I say bring it to the people and let them decide.
I say bring it to the people and let them decide.
The "will of the people" shouldn't be allowed to trump the right of the individual not to be killed in cold-blooded revenge by the state.
but you're all for hugging the cold blooded killers. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
Cite please?
Don't worry, Harper will take care of you liberals soon enough.
What is this supposed to mean?
He'll pass or get passed a crime bill that "The majority of Canadians" want.
What did you think I was going to say?
Remove you from the country? No that’s my pipedream.
RUEZ @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:07 pm
hwacker hwacker:
What did you think I was going to say?
Remove you from the country? No that’s my pipedream.
Remove you from the country? No that’s my pipedream.
ridenrain @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:17 pm
DerbyX DerbyX:
Brenda Brenda:
$1:
Well, there's no justice in killing an innocent person.
I agree with you here, but...
What is the difference between locking up an innocent person for life (say... 60 years, and he dies in prison at age 85) and killing him 50 years earlier?
And don't tell me him locked up was cheaper, because I don't buy the fact that 50 years of legal fees for him getting out is cheaper than killing him.
Tell that to David Milgard and Reuben "hurricane" Carter.
That chance for exoneration is pretty much zero on a dead man.
In addition, an innocent person still can make some sort of life behind bars not that it excuses sending innocent people to jail mind you.
Let's shed some light on how this worked out:
$1:
Larry Fisher was convicted in 1999 of the first-degree murder of Gail Miller, a 20-year-old Saskatoon nursing assistant who had been raped and repeatedly stabbed 30 years earlier.
Milgaard, a 16-year-old hippie who was passing through Saskatoon at the time, was convicted of Miller's death and spent his young adulthood behind bars before finally being exonerated by DNA evidence in 1997.
Fisher was given a mandatory life sentence, but will be eligible for parole in 10 years instead of the usual 25 years according to the law that was in place when Miller was killed.
Milgaard, a 16-year-old hippie who was passing through Saskatoon at the time, was convicted of Miller's death and spent his young adulthood behind bars before finally being exonerated by DNA evidence in 1997.
Fisher was given a mandatory life sentence, but will be eligible for parole in 10 years instead of the usual 25 years according to the law that was in place when Miller was killed.
Reuben "hurricane" Carter was arrested in New Jersey. We can't really use this as an example of Canadian justice, can we.
Let's take a guess how many Canadians would want to see Clifford Olson, Paul Bernardo, or Karla Homolka put in the ground by the state. For all the fear that an innocent person might be killed, I'd say Canadians are more in danger of being harmed or killed by criminals the justice industry let out.
ShepherdsDog @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:17 pm
Many of you are using the 'what if?'approach to this case. What if an innocent man is executed and what if DNA evidence clears him later? Well the individual in question here confessed to killing two men in cold blood for kicks. He also requested that he be given the death sentence for his crime. Well using your own arguements, let's respect the rights of the individual. It was his choice to ask for the death penalty. A just society would honour that request.
sasquatch2 @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:18 pm
DerbyX
$1:
I don't think I could tolerate living in a society that so casually tosses innocent people on the fire "for the good of society" because that isn't a society that deserves justice.
Welcome to the real world! Your lovely LIBRANO notion of justice is cruel and unusual punishment. I suppose you approve of the "man in the iron mask."
Your heros the PRC, prompty put a bullet in the guy's neck before the sun set---when a death penalty was given. It's more humane now. He lives until his organs/tissue type order comes in then he dies on the table while his organs are harvested.
Yogi @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:45 pm
I have been following this case in the news since he commited the murders. Ronald Smith knew full well that the death penalty was on the books there. They sentenced him to life, he petitioned the courts for the death penalty himself. The U.S. govt. obliged. I guess he thought they were 'screwing around'. WRONG!
www.ccadp.org/ronaldsmith.htm
If, after reading thru this link, anyone still thinks that Smith SHOULD'NT be put to death, it would be interesting to see how you come to that conclusion.
tritium @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:14 pm
Streaker Streaker:
A rope at Wal-Mart and a few boards from Home Hardware and your ready.
You know I will never understand the anti death penalty group.
Some of these murderers have tortured their victims or raped them, and them killed. Why should my tax dollars go to housing this sick fuck for the rest of his life.
With the advancement of DNA they can make exceptions to the death penalty. If the DNA matches and you have 2 credible witnesses to the events, he gets the death penalty for 1st degree murder.
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dog77_1999 @ Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:55 pm
lily lily:
Take a look at which countries have the death penalty and which don't and then tell me which group is the more civilized.
By who's standards? Some of those "barbaric" countries think those decant Europeans are leading "unclean" lives.
Eye of the beholder I supposed.
Quick warning, do not kill be people in the US. There is a very good chance you'll end up getting the death penatly. You have been warned, so don't do it! There we won't have to worry about this anymore since everyone knows the lay of the land.
tritium @ Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:02 am
Texas death row inmate looking for a good joke to tell before he is put to death
tritium @ Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:23 am
lily lily:
Take a look at which countries have the death penalty and which don't and then tell me which group is the more civilized.
Yes, lets take a look.
The United States of America
...and lets look at British Commonwealth Nations..
Antigua and Barbuda for Murder
Bahamas for Treason; Piracy; Murder
Barbados for Murder; Treason
Belize for murder, except where extenuating circumstances can be proved
Saint Kitts and Nevis for Murder
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_cap ... _by_nation
ShepherdsDog @ Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:58 am
Japan
Streaker @ Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:07 am
Libya
Syria
tritium @ Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:41 am
lily lily:
...you know, the civilized western world - has abolished the death penalty.
I don't know about that. Any country that doesn't have a Jack in the Box or an El Pollo Loco isn't very civilized to me.
Thank God for the USA, they have both those Restraunts and the Death Penalty.
The death penalty is a deterrent against murder. If you know you are going to be killed if you kill someone, you are less likely to commit murder.
It removes the most heinous and ruthless killers in our society and gives them the ultimate justice one can pass down.
I do not advocate the death penalty in all cases, only cases such as murder/rape, multiple murders, murder in the commission of another crime, gang member murders, murders of police officers and government officials.
Alabama Death Penalty
ShepherdsDog @ Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:14 am
lily lily:
$1:
The death penalty is a deterrent against murder.
That's never been proven. In fact - how many people expect to be caught? I don't think any of them are thinking consequences.
It's been proven to prevent recidivism.