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OK so it is the Cops problem that the YCJA is screwed up? Better do some research before you shoot off

   

Cite your source Son. If there was a confession, and you indicate there were no charges laid...I think I'm gonna call "Bullshit". Besides, you are arguing for the initial point of this thread as I understand it. There aren't enough cops on the road. If there were, you wouldn't have this B&E crime spree.

And to address your point about speeding in Sask...yes there is a problem with it. How do you differentiate between a guy speeding on a clear dry road, and a guy cruising through a school zone at 100? Can you imagine? The HTA would read like this:

Thou shalt obey all the posted speed limits, unless you can see really far, and you are a really good driver, and you've got a really fast car that needs the "carbon" blown out of it, or if you need to get home fast because you've gotta take a shit.

Big cities Police Depts have several different units. Gang / Drug / Traffic / Homicide / Home Invasion / etc etc etc. If police depts put all their PCs on gang units, the town would be overrun with home invasions. If they put all their guys on traffic, the gangs would rear their ugly heads.

I may be reading you wrong, but my initial feeling is you're a guy with a nice car and a heavy foot. You probably live in a small town, and most of the cops know your car and know your driving habits. These all add up to you getting "harassed" by your local constabulary due to your speeding. As such, you seem to have a bad attitude towards the cops, and feel that the violation you are comitting is minor compared to...say...B&E's, which is what the cops should be investigating...just my opinion.

   

You should be able to differentiate between a road in the middle of Sask with nothing around for hundreds of miles AND a school zone. If you do not know the difference than you should give up your lisence. I think there is allot more harm being done, in Canda, by "real" criminals. Again, look at the drugs, illegal guns, prostitutes, robberies, assault, wife beaters, theft, etc. Police don't make money from busting a drug ring, but they make allot of money generated by traffic tickets.

Yes, speed can kill, but so can some herion junkie with a gun who is going through DT's looking to kill you and take your wallet. Life means nothing to them. How about all these babies that are born with drug and chemical dependancies because the babies mom was a crack head?

Speeding is not the biggest problem we face in Canada.

   

SonofSam,

Labbatts nailed it. You're pushing a personal agenda here. Because the police didn't arrive immediately after your brother's car was stolen, then their performance is substandard and/or they must have been goofing off in government cars.

Can you elaborate on your personal anecdote? What else was happening the day your brother's car was stolen that may have required more immediate attentenion from the police? Moreover, if the car has been stolen, as you say, would police attention be better spent on the roads looking for the car or marshalling it immediately to your brother's house to get the very same information your brother would undoubtedly have told the dispatcher?

Brilliant.

Moreover, check out Toronto area newscasts on long holiday weekends or during other blitzes. The OPP is quite visible giving accounts of speed traps, dangers of speeding and numbers caught.

Besides, how on earth are the POLICE responsible for what INDEPENDENT NEWSCASTERS broadcast? Why isn't there enough coverage of speeding to meet your unspecified needs? Call CTV.

Plus, how deep does your arrogance run that you will now instruct the police how they may eat their lunch or how they may drink their coffee? This still doesn't address how you would explain to a victim or a victim's family the delay associated with the RCMP returning to the station to collect a car to drive out to the scene of an assault. I don't assume you'll answer that either.

   

LOL Calling bullshit. Provide a source

   

In the Edmonton trial, 81 drivers a week were flashed by the camera on 170 st. According to an article in the Edmonton Journal, Sgt. Gary Meads of the Edmonton Police force wants to see the current fine raised from $57 but assuming the fine remains the same for now, that little machine on 170 st. will generate over $240,000 a year. Now multiply that quarter million dollars by every corner with a stop light in your little burg and you have an idea of the profit potential. Cash Cow? Is there any doubt?


Plus, how deep does your arrogance run that you will now instruct the police how they may eat their lunch or how they may drink their coffee? This still doesn't address how you would explain to a victim or a victim's family the delay associated with the RCMP returning to the station to collect a car to drive out to the scene of an assault. I don't assume you'll answer that either.

Why can't the RCPM just bring thier own lunch to work and eat it there, or in thier car? What gives them the right to drive a police car home for lunch? What gives them the right to drive thier spouse to work or drop their children off at school with a police car? He is on duty while in that car, and my tax dollars are paying for some cop to drive his family around and do personal errands?

Are both of you admitting that the only crimes in Canada are those that only happen in a vehicle? Are you so blind that you cannot see? Watch the news tonight, you might be surprised to see murderers, and rapists, and child molesters, they are out there, walking the streets or maybe living right beside you.

   

I agree with what SonofSam is saying at least for where I live. The RCMP around here do nothing. The kids laugh at them. There isn't a cop on duty at night. If something happens at night, you have to call the detachment in St John's (3 1/2 hrs away) and they try to get ahold of the "Duty" person. By the time they get ahold of him and he shows up, it's too late. My friend had to chase some kids out of a store they broke into at 4am because there isn't a cop for miles. We literaly have to take justice in our own hands.

   

Again bullshit, please show your source where it shows the Police benifiting from ticket monies. You are actually the one who turned this discussion into a "speeders vs criminal offence" forum. Please realize that the street cop in a patrol vehicle is generally not assigned to track down child molesters or rapists ect. That is done by plain clothes CI. Obviously should a uniformed patrol encounter such an offence being commited he would take action. The primary job of the uniformed patrolman is to be visible, proactive respond to calls as they come in, just the presence of a marked car makes you check your speedometer. Patrol the area (All areas including malls, restaurants, arenas, coffee shops anywhere the public is). In a perfect world (yours apparently) we would be able to afford to have a PC on every corner, every alley, no pee breaks, lunch or coffee.

   

Again the topic of the thread is shortages. Many small areas have to take people off the road during silent hours because of lack of manpower.

   

I am going to conced the fact that I agree partially with your point here. Dropping off wife / kids / buddies...etc is not cool, and I am certain that RCMP (or any other police dept) protocols prohibit this type of misuse.

Getting coffee / lunch, however, in my opinion is a God given right. The cop's office is his car, and a member does not always have the luxury of stopping in at the detachment to pick up a coffee.

This topic has moved way off track. Bottom line:

We Need More Cops!!!!!

   

Now we're getting down to the short strokes and methinks you've reached the limit of your arguing capacity. You've TWICE avoided answering the question put forward to you, you've made an argumentative fallacy by extending the conflict to include police officers dropping off their family and doing personal errands when the original argument put to you was one of getting a coffee or lunch whilst on duty in a police car. That said, you've still avoided elaborating on your brother's situation. It's dangerous to use personal anecdotes to fuel broad-based arguments and your's is a cautionary tale as to why.



Thanks for the ignoratio elenchi argumentative fallacy. Perhaps you can instead provide the reasoning for this "conclusion"?



And here's the fallout of the fallacy.

Next?

   

Yes, absolutely, we need more police, and it is MY OPINION that we need them to do more about the serious problems and not the petty stuff. They should be doing check stops, get the drunks off the roads, bust the dangerous drivers, but going over the speed limit by 10-20 kms is not that big a deal.

   

I live on a residential street in a nice neighborhood. The speed limit is 30 km/h. So if I understand you 40 or 50 km/h thru this area is as you say "no big deal"? I invite you to take your young children to the end of your driveway leave them there to play
and then go up the street with your car, cruise past them at 20 over the posted limit. See if it is "no big deal" then.

   

Perhaps I should have made myself more clear in this matter. I do not speed in populated areas, I do not speed in residential areas, nor do I think anyone should. But when I get on the highway I like to go fast, it's just the way I drive. Kids do not usually play on the highway, therefore I do not see a problem putting 'er to the mat. My truck will haul ass and sometimes it is fun to make 'er fly. Usually though, I do only 10-20 kms over the limit but I have done allot faster than that just to pass.

Like I said, I should have made myself more clear.

   

Kids do so play on the highway...and quite often they are 16 year old kids playing "student driver" in their mom's Kia. You are putting them in danger when you "put 'er to the mat". Their driving abilities may not be as good as your's.

Bottom line: Speeding is against the law. Just like killing people, committing bestiality, and performing an atrocity on a corpse are against the law. Are some laws more serious than othes? Absolutely! And if a copper was to be faced with a situation where he observes a vehicle illegally parked, as well as a robbery in progress across the street, I think you can safely say it won't be his ticket book that gets whipped out.

When a buddy / kid / relative of your's is killed in a traffic accident caused by elevated speeds, then you tell me that speeding isn't a serious offence.

   

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