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SHOULD CANADA KILL NAFTA???

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mtbr @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:39 pm

Thats what happens when you move to the small town to save a 100 bucks a month rent.


you get screwed

Still doesn't explain 34 turning into 40. :D :P :P

   



BartSimpson @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:44 pm

tritium tritium:
I was reading an interesting article about NAFTA posted by the Canadian Action Party, who I am starting to hope gets a better foot hold in Canada.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/44/085.html

Canadian oil, if Canadians wanted to keep more for ourselves, and stop the gas shortages, we can't. Under NAFTA, we have an obligation to provide our resources to the United States first before our own citizens, failing to do so would cost Canada billions in fines.

Should Canada kill NAFTA??


Yes.

That or get used to the Mexicans claiming they rightfully own your country, too.

   



Bacardi4206 @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:51 pm

I think we should kill NAFTA, In my opinion and from what I hear. Canada gets fucked in NAFTA. If U.S. want's our trade so bad, (Which I am sure they do). We can form a new agreement (Which they already want). If they don't, well there's always China, and the EU. However I would rather trade with America.

That is however my opinion for the momment, unti'll I research it more and find somebody that changes my mind ;).

   



tritium @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:57 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Yes.

That or get used to the Mexicans claiming they rightfully own your country, too.


What the hell Bart, we live in igloos in Canada, to cold for the Mexicans up here. :lol:

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Now being serious, the Mexicans are only claiming what was stolen from them, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California.

Canada is going to take what's left of the states and make it our 11th Province, bringing them back into the Commonwealth as they should be... :lol:

   



sandorski @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:21 pm

tritium tritium:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Yes.

That or get used to the Mexicans claiming they rightfully own your country, too.


What the hell Bart, we live in igloos in Canada, to cold for the Mexicans up here. :lol:

Image

Now being serious, the Mexicans are only claiming what was stolen from them, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California.

Canada is going to take what's left of the states and make it our 11th Province, bringing them back into the Commonwealth as they should be... :lol:


4th Territory. Americans are not ready for Provincial status. :P:D

   



BartSimpson @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:25 pm

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:
I think we should kill NAFTA, In my opinion and from what I hear. Canada gets fucked in NAFTA.


I believe there's a section of the treaty that actually specifies a different orifice.

   



BartSimpson @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:28 pm

tritium tritium:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Yes.

That or get used to the Mexicans claiming they rightfully own your country, too.


What the hell Bart, we live in igloos in Canada, to cold for the Mexicans up here. :lol:



Now being serious, the Mexicans are only claiming what was stolen from them, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California.

Canada is going to take what's left of the states and make it our 11th Province, bringing them back into the Commonwealth as they should be... :lol:


I can't find the link right now, but the Mexicans do claim BC as theirs because the Spanish explorer Juan de Fuca claimed it for Spain and, ergo, (by their logic) for Mexico.

Oh, and be sure to go enjoy the Cinco de Mayo celebrations in Vancouver.

http://www.clubzone.com/events/events_s ... &region=10

   



tritium @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:47 pm

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I can't find the link right now, but the Mexicans do claim BC as theirs because the Spanish explorer Juan de Fuca claimed it for Spain and, ergo, (by their logic) for Mexico.

Oh, and be sure to go enjoy the Cinco de Mayo celebrations in Vancouver.

http://www.clubzone.com/events/events_s ... &region=10


Oh come now, if there is one thing America's love about Mexico is the Music and the Party until you Drop culture, and you then spend the rest of that night and most of the next day praying to a porcelain god.

Note: unless you're a tight ass with no life or over 85 yrs.

OH yeah Bart, here is your link, but please show where they claim BC, or are you just trolling a little :wink:
http://www.aztlan.net

Oh yeah, I think you will just love this link. ROTFL
http://www.aztlan.net/anchor_baby_power.htm

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BartSimpson @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:16 pm

No, it came up before and it was a story off of La Voz de Aztlan about one of Mexico's then-ministers speaking to some group and claiming BC properly belonged to Mexico. I have posted the link to the specific article elsewhere on this forum but it's got to have been last year or maybe the year before when I did so. Sorry I don't remember crap like that off the top of my head but I don't.

Granted, it's a scant minority who adhere to the claim for now. But it was also a scant Mexican minority fringe that used to claim the US southwest and now their current and past Presidents have alluded to the claim.

Their quaint catchphrase is that Mexico and the US southwest are not parts of two countries, but one region with a common history.

NAFTA is just a tool for the Reconquista. Sadly, none of our politicians are standing in the way of it.

   



grainfedprairieboy @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:08 pm

I support NAFTA even though I have been negatively affected by it (and also positively). I also support free trade agreements with Argentina even though my money losing apiary could be dealt a death blow by the influx of low cost honey (Lord I love farming).

Free and freer trade benefits the economies of all countries by allowing participants to maximise their opportunity costs.

For example, Mexico has seen two million people displaced from rural farms since 1992 and the number of farmers now sits at 500,000 as those remaining have been forced to corporatise and grow their farms to meet the NAFTA agreement in respect to large multi national ag processors and the competition of cheaper food stuffs produced in the US and Canada.

This has allowed Mexican farms to start producing far more then ever per acre thereby having a corresponding effect of keeping food prices low across the continent. The displaced farmers have found new opportunities in manufacturing factories and their standard of living has risen even though these factories pay considerably less then.

That the Canadian and American economies are moving toward high tech knowledge based industries is indisputable and part of a natural economic transition. If you still want to be able to afford manufactured goods you need to move them to an environment whereby the input costs are reduced.

   



tritium @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:15 pm

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
I support NAFTA even though I have been negatively affected by it (and also positively).


LOL GFPB, that's like saying your a little pregnant. :lol: :lol: :lol:

   



Keemo @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:33 pm

Today 108.140 !!!!!

I've nor seen gas that cheap in a long time.

Today 117.160
Yesterday 117.163
One Week Ago 113.533
One Month Ago 106.996
One Year Ago 102.231

But NAFTA does not just affect oil, it affects all our resources, water, timber, coal etc. Between NAFTA and the so called Softwood lumber deal, BC has been getting screwed, without even the decency to use KY. Raw logs getting shipped south and sawmill after sawmill closing down.
Kill NAFTA? hell yes, nuke it.

   



tritium @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:19 pm

Keemo Keemo:
Today 108.140 !!!!!

I've nor seen gas that cheap in a long time.

Today 117.160
Yesterday 117.163
One Week Ago 113.533
One Month Ago 106.996
One Year Ago 102.231

But NAFTA does not just affect oil, it affects all our resources, water, timber, coal etc. Between NAFTA and the so called Softwood lumber deal, BC has been getting screwed, without even the decency to use KY. Raw logs getting shipped south and sawmill after sawmill closing down.
Kill NAFTA? hell yes, nuke it.


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Did I say welcome to the forums??

Welcome, and please post more...

   



Canadaka @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:53 pm

I honestly don't know, it seems that to drop it now would be next to impossible. Wether or not it was a good thing is debateable, I don't know enough about it. It seems Canada has had a great last 10 - 15 years of economic growth, how much did NAFTA have to do with that? I don't know.

Oil is a different issue for me. I wish that a NEP went through :P
I don't understand why a country that exports oil has to be at the mercy of world oil prices. We need more refineries and to be oil self sufficient ant set our own market price. If we had a NEP this might have happened and we might still have $0.36 gas prices. But of course the green in me says that might not be a good thing, heh.

   



RUEZ @ Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:59 pm

Keemo Keemo:
Today 108.140 !!!!!

I've nor seen gas that cheap in a long time.

Today 117.160
Yesterday 117.163
One Week Ago 113.533
One Month Ago 106.996
One Year Ago 102.231

But NAFTA does not just affect oil, it affects all our resources, water, timber, coal etc. Between NAFTA and the so called Softwood lumber deal, BC has been getting screwed, without even the decency to use KY. Raw logs getting shipped south and sawmill after sawmill closing down.
Kill NAFTA? hell yes, nuke it.
NAFTA has not screwed BC. Neither has the softwood lumber agreement really. The only reason sawmills are shutting down right now is because there is no demand for the product. Raw logs have been shipped out of the province on and off long before NAFTA was signed. What the softwood lumber agreement did, although not perfect, was bring some stability back to the industry. Unfortunately we've been hit by the sub prime mortgage backlash.

   



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