SHOULD CANADA KILL NAFTA???
Benoit @ Sat May 03, 2008 11:57 am
alana alana:
YES! Get rid of NAFTA. Amd stop a lot more of the global trads. Look after Canadians first!
Get a clue about enlighten selfishness!
alana @ Sat May 03, 2008 4:46 pm
Um, is there a meaning there somewhere?
Benoit @ Sat May 03, 2008 6:11 pm
alana alana:
Um, is there a meaning there somewhere?
Get a clue about humanism! Canada should close itself to the World only if by doing so it thinks it will be able to exercise more pressures for the World to cooperate more to the benefit of all countries.
ccstrong ccstrong:
Keep NAFTA
Refuse negotations with USA about it and before the election create a penalty of 50Billion Dollars if either party trys to cancle it with out negoiation
I don't see how that will help. The United States does not pay it debts to Canada anyhow.
Look what Harper had to do to get payment over the beef ban. We had to take a lower amount that what was originally owned and at the same time buy their shit to offset the payment.
We don't have any power to force the USA to pay shit to us.
Benoit @ Sun May 04, 2008 8:03 am
Canadians have not enough reasons to believe our World as a whole cannot solve its problems through international cooperation.
tritium @ Sun May 04, 2008 11:45 am
Benoit Benoit:
Canadians have not enough reasons to believe our World as a whole cannot solve its problems through international cooperation.
Great a globalist.
I suppose you think the Kyoto and sharing of Canadian wealth with poorer nations would be a good thing too.
Just with NAFTA we sacrifice our manufacturing base and become reliant on countries such as China to produce our basic needs.
This is the case in the United States where sensitive military components are being manufactured in Mexico under NAFTA where they do not provide the same level of security as their U.S. Counterparts.
At least the USA builds most of it's own military air force inside the USA and doesn't have to buy foreign technology to protect it's citizens.
Benoit @ Sun May 04, 2008 12:19 pm
tritium tritium:
Benoit Benoit:
Canadians have not enough reasons to believe our World as a whole cannot solve its problems through international cooperation.
Great a globalist.
I suppose you think the Kyoto and sharing of Canadian wealth with poorer nations would be a good thing too.
Just with NAFTA we sacrifice our manufacturing base and become reliant on countries such as China to produce our basic needs.
This is the case in the United States where sensitive military components are being manufactured in Mexico under NAFTA where they do not provide the same level of security as their U.S. Counterparts.
At least the USA builds most of it's own military air force inside the USA and doesn't have to buy foreign technology to protect it's citizens.
False needs would disappear with World peace.
Can2 @ Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:14 pm
Back on topic:
NAFTA is doing us more good than harm. Try to remember who we sell over 60% of most of our goods to.
As far as "our sovereignty" goes this is a trade agreement nothing more.
Yes, it does basically say USA gets 60% while we get 40% of our resources... boy now it is going to be harder for me to make my point...hmmm... Let me put it another way.
US is 10 times our population so it is getting only 10% more than us... hey you might buy that.
No really it is a good agreement...you know all things considered... we are basically screwed over less than most countries are by the USofA.
Besides if we get our act together and go nuclear who will even want that dirty oil?
Benoit @ Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:45 pm
In 2007, 76% of Canada's exports went to the U.S. In 2000, it was 86 percent of Canada's exports that were shipped to the U.S.
http://www.buyusa.gov/harrisburg/can_ustrade.html
http://www.traveldocs.com/ca/economy.htm
Can2 @ Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:16 pm
Benoit Benoit:
Thanks for the numbers Benoit, I guessed low because I didn't want it to look as needy as it really is.
I hate to tell you folks, but as bad as nafta was traitorous and needs to be axed, it will never, ever happen. We the people, have no say whatsoever, just like us getting robbed at the pumps, no matter what we say or do, short of a mass revolt, we are screwed. Why, because at one time, the politicos worked for the people as it was supposed to be, that has been reversed and that is why Harper can stay as pm with a minority and continue to screw us over at every turn.
Benoit @ Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:44 am
By specializing and exchanging with our neighbor, Canadians are becoming richer. Canada would lose or waste its best brains by rejecting free trade.
I don't think you can blame NAFTA for high gas prices, as the prime driver for oil's rocketing price is commodity speculation by traders employed by large investment banks. Morgan-Stanley, JP Morgan, et al, have more influence on the price of oil than OPEC, and the damndest part of that equation is that market demand in that sector makes the role of the trader irrelevant. They're taking a profit without adding any value or security. Coincidently, the head of CIBC World Markets Commodity group said last week that gains in resource trading would likely offset WM's substantial losses in ABCP's. Translation: they're manipulating the price of oil to regain what they lost on idiotic sub-primes.
The cure for this would be to legislate who can participate in commodities trading. I.e., you don't own a refinery you don't bid on the price of oil.
The other problem, from a Canadian perspective, is our anemic refining capacity. Righ now we do not have one refinery in Canada capable of processing synthetic crude. If we had a governments that actually acted for the best interests of the voters, the huge oil-driven government surpluses would be reinvested in refining and Canadian manufacturing. That would not only help the Canadian economy right now, it would provide long-term employment to thousands of Canadians (and repay the investment with taxes collected) and most of all, increase our energy security.
Benoit @ Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:35 am
Waste and poverty happen when a relatively small number of people try to produce everything it needs: a small number of individuals is necessarily more limited in what it can do well than a larger group.
Benoit Benoit:
Waste and poverty happen when a relatively small number of people try to produce everything it needs: a small number of individuals is necessarily more limited in what it can do well than a larger group.
Notwithstanding that what you said seems completely off-topic, I'd have to strongly disagree. In a tribal village of 20, all needs are co-dependent. The individual is dependent on the success of the group and the group depends on each individuals' contribution(s). There is little room for waste and no room for poverty. At the opposite end of the scale we have a nation of, say, 300 million. Large-scale waste becomes acceptable as byproduct of trying to satisfy the demands of the populace and poverty becomes unavoidable to a segment of the population because the size of the group prevents any possibility of equal distribution of resources and opportunity.